Cassava farmers protest Paraquat ban

[Matzzon 4,749]

3 hours ago, farmerjo said:

The EU banned these chemicals and cannot grow enough food for their demand.

Now they want 3rd world countries to supply clean,green food cheap so it's not to expensive for their consumers,at somchai's expense.

Somchai has turned around and said i can do that at long as you find me a way that doesn't hurt my very short pockets. 

Just to wierd! Then I guess that Somchai need to grow a backbone and tell the rest of the world to farm it themselfs or pay the price he asks.

A business can not hurt the person who is running it, if he takes control of the outs and ins of it. After that we always have the crazy concept in Thailand that if neighbour Somchai is farming cassava, I need to do that to. That leads at the end to an uncontrollable over production. In that case there can be no control of outs and ins. There they need to learn to stabalize the market that sets the two parameters of supply and demand. In other words a lot of Somchai´s is going to have to re-evaluate their stance in the market a find a business that gives them the possibility to control the outs and ins.

Today they are running their operations without registered companies, no control over the spendings and allowing themselfs to get run over by the big truck called distributor and over production.

[kickstart 1,835]

8 hours ago, Matzzon said:

A business can not hurt the person who is running it, if he takes control of the outs and ins of it.

A farmer can control the inputs and most farmers do ,they have no control of the outputs , especially the price they receive for they crop ,they is no future markets in Thailand for crops ,it is now  mid October our local sugar mill is due to open in about one months time ,asking farmers how much he will get for they crop no one knows ,about the only thing is certain the government is helping to the tune of 50 baht/ton, sugar cane is a 3/4 year crop ,5 years ago cane price was very good 1000 baht/ton very happy growers then the price dropped  to 750-800 baht/ton for 3 years  farmers had no chose but to except that price .

Last year cassava price was good  2.50  baht/kg this year with the drought and lower yields  who knows most say a lower price  ,again know one knows until harvest time then the farmers have know chose but to get what they can , and it is the crop buyers/middle men who make the money ,farmers  to them are just a sauce money for a new Merk,SUV.  

The government will help sugar cane farmers, as molasses a by-product of sugar cane, is used to make ethyl alcohol , which is then used to make gasohol ,if world crude oil prices rise the government will help cassava farmers as well , cassava is used to make ethanol alcohol. 

That is why they has been a big increase in both crops over the past few years ,so all of us can put cheap fuel in our cars,motorbikes etc. 

[Fred white 925]

20 minutes ago, kickstart said:

A farmer can control the inputs and most farmers do ,they have no control of the outputs , especially the price they receive for they crop ,they is no future markets in Thailand for crops ,it is now  mid October our local sugar mill is due to open in about one months time ,asking farmers how much he will get for they crop no one knows ,about the only thing is certain the government is helping to the tune of 50 baht/ton, sugar cane is a 3/4 year crop ,5 years ago cane price was very good 1000 baht/ton very happy growers then the price dropped  to 750-800 baht/ton for 3 years  farmers had no chose but to except that price .

Last year cassava price was good  2.50  baht/kg this year with the drought and lower yields  who knows most say a lower price  ,again know one knows until harvest time then the farmers have know chose but to get what they can , and it is the crop buyers/middle men who make the money ,farmers  to them are just a sauce money for a new Merk,SUV.  

The government will help sugar cane farmers, as molasses a by-product of sugar cane, is used to make ethyl alcohol , which is then used to make gasohol ,if world crude oil prices rise the government will help cassava farmers as well , cassava is used to make ethanol alcohol. 

That is why they has been a big increase in both crops over the past few years ,so all of us can put cheap fuel in our cars,motorbikes etc. 

If yields are down that would mean lower supply if demand is up then prices should be higher or you would think

[Chazar 4,488]

15 hours ago, Matzzon said:

I would appriciate if you do not feel the need to call me different degrading things, and keep to the discussion instead.

You offer  no solution thats workable, you have no idea how  hard it is to get staff (which you have admitted) to  pull weeds yet tell me I mustnt use paraquat, that leaves one alternative, dont grow any food..............so I dont think  calling you a  fruitcake is degrading as you offer no other option.

For over 5  years we used no weedkillers, then the Burmese who replaced the Thais as Thais were to lazy didnt want to do weed  pulling either, so now we have no weed pullers and are left with only weed  killers or stop growing anything. Paraquat is not proven carcinogenic there are hints a lot of use leads to Parkinsons, Paraquats  main reason for being banned WORLDWIDE was SUICIDE.

Even if  you pay them 500 a  day they aint interested in pulling weeds

[Chazar 4,488]

15 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Pretty sure that was not the reason. That due to there are other same effective substances still available. Like we should soon see a ban on sleeping pills and valium.

it was the reason

[farmerjo 2,793]

We did some calculations in another section.

Close estimates of how a Thai farms.

paraquat = 160 baht/rai

organic alternative = 2200 baht/rai 

[Chazar 4,488]

15 hours ago, Tayaout said:

In the west they added a vomiting agent and several other safeguard so hardly a good reason to ban it if it was that good. 

Once youve  swallowed it  neat its most likely already to late as it  will be destroying everything it touches even vomiting it out will have little effect

[Chazar 4,488]

15 hours ago, Matzzon said:

I would appriciate if you do not feel the need to call me different degrading things

Its ONE extremely mild degrading thing.

[Chazar 4,488]

15 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

We did some calculations in another section.

Close estimates of how a Thai farms.

paraquat = 160 baht/rai

organic alternative = 2200 baht/rai 

its  ok  like Gunther whatshername they wont mind paying that new price to save the planet, heck Ill do it if youll pay, the way things are going wont be able to find anyone to spray it anyway finding any staff now is getting to be a nightmare...............plenty happy to sit around doing  <deleted>  all all day though, no end of candidates for that.

[Matzzon 4,749]

47 minutes ago, kickstart said:

A farmer can control the inputs and most farmers do ,they have no control of the outputs , especially the price they receive for they crop ,they is no future markets in Thailand for crops ,it is now  mid October our local sugar mill is due to open in about one months time ,asking farmers how much he will get for they crop no one knows ,about the only thing is certain the government is helping to the tune of 50 baht/ton, sugar cane is a 3/4 year crop ,5 years ago cane price was very good 1000 baht/ton very happy growers then the price dropped  to 750-800 baht/ton for 3 years  farmers had no chose but to except that price .

Last year cassava price was good  2.50  baht/kg this year with the drought and lower yields  who knows most say a lower price  ,again know one knows until harvest time then the farmers have know chose but to get what they can , and it is the crop buyers/middle men who make the money ,farmers  to them are just a sauce money for a new Merk,SUV.  

The government will help sugar cane farmers, as molasses a by-product of sugar cane, is used to make ethyl alcohol , which is then used to make gasohol ,if world crude oil prices rise the government will help cassava farmers as well , cassava is used to make ethanol alcohol. 

That is why they has been a big increase in both crops over the past few years ,so all of us can put cheap fuel in our cars,motorbikes etc. 

Yes, everything is right. Does that have anything to do with the ban of paraquat? No, not at all. That only have to do with poor organisation and farmers that do not stand up regarding the things they really need. Instead they stand up and fight the wrong war to be able to use a poison that is unhealthy both to nature, the food chain and humans.

[Matzzon 4,749]

3 minutes ago, Chazar said:

Its ONE extremely mild degrading thing.

Thank you for understanding. It doesn´t matter if it´s one or 20 and you do not get the right to chose the degree of the one thing. That is owned by the reciever.

[Matzzon 4,749]

27 minutes ago, Chazar said:

You offer  no solution thats workable, you have no idea how  hard it is to get staff (which you have admitted) to  pull weeds yet tell me I mustnt use paraquat, that leaves one alternative, dont grow any food..............so I dont think  calling you a  fruitcake is degrading as you offer no other option.

For over 5  years we used no weedkillers, then the Burmese who replaced the Thais as Thais were to lazy didnt want to do weed  pulling either, so now we have no weed pullers and are left with only weed  killers or stop growing anything. Paraquat is not proven carcinogenic there are hints a lot of use leads to Parkinsons, Paraquats  main reason for being banned WORLDWIDE was SUICIDE.

Even if  you pay them 500 a  day they aint interested in pulling weeds

So, that means if a person in a shop can not offer you what you want, you have the right to call them what you want? Get a grip.

I do not have to offer a solution, I leave that to the farmers. There is still not an option to continue to use a chemical that endangers health and nature.

[farmerjo 2,793]

3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

I do not have to offer a solution, I leave that to the farmers.

Serious,do you get paid by TV to be a clown. 

[Matzzon 4,749]

15 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

Serious,do you get paid by TV to be a clown. 

Ok, tell me then. Why would I need to offer a solution? Is that just because I have an opinion that to poison people and nature is wrong? An opinon that is shared by many people.

Please also answer why you feel the need to call me a clown because we have different opinions in a discussion?

Edited October 17 by Matzzon

[Chazar 4,488]

10 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

Serious,do you get paid by TV to be a clown. 

steady Ive already used fruitcake and I dont have that right, Im going to "ban" myself before the mods do it for me. 

Im deeply  offended by the "get a grip" though