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1 hour ago, lkv said:

 

It looks like the permissions of stay will be granted according to the validity of insurance. I.e. if your insurance expires, then they will limit the permission of stay to the expiry date of the insurance.

 

Also, don't know how people will get their "second free year" without insurance.

 

Unless I am not understanding this well.

 

My Pacific Cross agent said they would synchronize their policy dates with Immigration dates and pro-rate the fees accordingly. So it may be possible to work with your insurance company to adjust the dates so that you get your second year. However, it is one more thing you have to do to manage your immigration status.

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As of 11am today, from Hatyai Immigration, who in my books are the greatest ,most helpful bunch of People i have ever delt with... UBON JOE is absolutely correct with everything he has stated...F

Oh well, the info i got is there at the start of this Thread....take it or leave it. It may be of use to some members... Just follow Ubon Joe's leads...he has it spot on....  

You didn't ask that question explicitly did you? A yes or no answer will suffice in this case. 

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29 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The effective date of he order is 31 October that means anything done before that date is is not affected. If it was retroactive it would state that and immigration has never done a police order that was retroactive that I am aware of.

I am getting tired of writing the same thing over and over again every time somebody starts a new topic.

Ok so you're saying that:

 

John gets a non O-A visa multiple on Oct 25, lands in Suvarnabhumi on October 29.

 

He will be issued with a 12 month permission of stay, up to 27 October 2020.

 

When John exits Thailand on 20 October 2020 and reenters on 21 October 2020, John will not be required to prove insurance and will be issued with a new 12 month permission of stay.

 

Best of luck to John in his interaction with Thai Immigration on 21 October 2020, arguing about when his O-A was issued.

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2 minutes ago, lkv said:

Ok so you're saying that:

 

John gets a non O-A visa multiple on Oct 25, lands in Suvarnabhumi on October 29.

 

He will be issued with a 12 month permission of stay, up to 27 October 2020.

 

When John exits Thailand on 20 October 2020 and reenters on 21 October 2020, John will not be required to prove insurance.

 

Best of luck to John in his interaction with Thai Immigration on 21 October 2020, arguing about when his O-A was issued.

It's all in the computer.

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2 hours ago, steevjee said:

Ok my heads spinning.... so I got my non imm o a multi entry visa from Oz in January this year. I’m going back to Oz in November and plan to return a few days prior to my visas expiration in January 2020, will I be expected to have Medical insurance or not?

For the record, I spoke to UbonJoe specifically about this situation as I too have a Non Immigrant O-A which I received in January of this year.  However, even after he advised me that I probably would be safe exiting and returning in January 2020, I went ahead and made a strategic decision.  I made a border run yesterday (15 Oct 2019) and got stamped back in for 13 October 2020.  My decision was based on the fact that interpretations may change between 31 Oct 2019 and January 2020.  I don't feel that losing 90 days means much to me in the overall scheme of things--But 54K to 85K is a bit of money to be betting on.  Besides, now I have a whole year to see how things shake out.  Additionally, over the next 90 days we're sure to get some reports of some getting caught out--or not. If not, then I can still exit and return in January 2020 and I'll have only lost a couple of hours travel time and 1500 Baht for the border run.  As we all say here, "up to you". 

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1 minute ago, lkv said:

It's on the visa sticker as well, that's not the issue. The issue is every IO might interpret this internal memo as they wish.

It's one more thing in their arsenal but they are already looking at cash, hotel reservations, previous travel history. If you get pulled aside they will look at it like everything else.

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1 minute ago, mosan said:

For the record, I spoke to UbonJoe specifically about this situation as I too have a Non Immigrant O-A which I received in January of this year.  However, even after he advised me that I probably would be safe exiting and returning in January 2020, I went ahead and made a strategic decision.  I made a border run yesterday (15 Oct 2019) and got stamped back in for 13 October 2020.  My decision was based on the fact that interpretations may change between 31 Oct 2019 and January 2020.  I don't feel that losing 90 days means much to me in the overall scheme of things--But 54K to 85K is a bit of money to be betting on.  Besides I still have a year to see how things shake out.  Additionally, over the next 90 days we're sure to get some reports of some getting caught out--or not. If not, then I can still exit and return in January 2020 and I'll have only lost a couple of hours travel time and 1500 Baht for the border run.  As we all say here, "up to you". 

My current extension ends 19 November but I applied for a new one 7 October at CW so I am good until October 2020. This was before the announcement. Now I just wait to see what happens to others next month whether at the airport or at the Immigration office when applying for extensions.

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16 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It does not apply to you since you got your visa in January.

Joe, while on the subject of this O-A issue, and not trying to hi-jack the thread weegee.......

 

Logically (yeah, I know) after the 31st October this should only fall on consulates and embassies that actually issue the O-A visas, ie, without acceptable insurance the O-A visa wouldn't be issued in the first place. Otherwise you would need IOs to be proficient with all types of insurance policies before allowing entry of an O-A holder into Thailand.

 

If I am correct in my assumptions, this to me, again thinking logically, raises a couple of issues as to the application for the O-A:

 

1. If using a Thai company for insurance as seems to be the insistence, and that Thai company does not have foreign branches then all applications for insurance would be online or by 'snail-mail'. (just putting this in as it will increase the application period in the future, something anyone applying should be aware of)

 

2. Would the insurance policy not need to be covering a two year period, the potential coverage period of the O-A visa, to make any sort of sense? If after the typical one year cover of the O-A, would insurance not be needed (as is being discussed here already) for the potential one year, re-entry covered, permission to stay?

 

And yes, I understand that the visa gets you to the country and it is the permission to stay that allows you to remain in country.

 

Although this doesn't currently affect me personally, the O-A route could be plan X, Y or Z further down the road for me.

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19 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

Joe, while on the subject of this O-A issue, and not trying to hi-jack the thread weegee.......

 

Logically (yeah, I know) after the 31st October this should only fall on consulates and embassies that actually issue the O-A visas, ie, without acceptable insurance the O-A visa wouldn't be issued in the first place. Otherwise you would need IOs to be proficient with all types of insurance policies before allowing entry of an O-A holder into Thailand.

 

If I am correct in my assumptions, this to me, again thinking logically, raises a couple of issues as to the application for the O-A:

 

1. If using a Thai company for insurance as seems to be the insistence, and that Thai company does not have foreign branches then all applications for insurance would be online or by 'snail-mail'. (just putting this in as it will increase the application period in the future, something anyone applying should be aware of)

 

2. Would the insurance policy not need to be covering a two year period, the potential coverage period of the O-A visa, to make any sort of sense? If after the typical one year cover of the O-A, would insurance not be needed (as is being discussed here already) for the potential one year, re-entry covered, permission to stay?

 

And yes, I understand that the visa gets you to the country and it is the permission to stay that allows you to remain in country.

 

Although this doesn't currently affect me personally, the O-A route could be plan X, Y or Z further down the road for me.

I am living in Thailand and I purchased Pacific Cross insurance last year. The entire transaction occurred on-line using emails and pdfs. They send you an application as a pdf. They have to consider and approve your application which may take a week or two. You pay with a bank transfer and eventually you get a paper copy of your insurance policy in Thai and English. Assuming you get this before you get your approved O-A visa your insurance and visa will be out of sync by say 1 month.

 

The insurance policy is for one year. You pay upfront. Pacific Cross has told me that they can synchronize their policy date with your visa dates and they will refund any portion of the first year policy that you didn't use. Synchronizing your insurance with your O-A visa is a bit of a hassle. Also, It is not the end of the world if you don't get the full second year of your O-A visa. I only got 9 months additional on my O-A visa.

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17 hours ago, weegee said:

Oh well, the info i got is there at the start of this Thread....take it or leave it. It may be of use to some members...

Just follow Ubon Joe's leads...he has it spot on....

 

The moral of this story is post helpful information by all means, most of us are grateful for it. However, you have to be prepared for the unappreciative replies, as though you're trying to sell something. I sometimes use my time and effort to post info that I think may be helpful, but I never stick around to argue the toss. Take it or leave it.

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My friend  went to Yasothon Immigration yesterday for a extension of his OA visa which he got in UK he has been here on extensions of this OA visa for 12 years they gave him the extension this year but he was told when he next renews next year he MUST HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE so I think what is being stated a lot on here about not needing it is not true members should check with their local immigration and find out this is true.
Interesting report.
We need similar reports from many offices from people extending now from original O visa bases as well.

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25 minutes ago, Davejf2017 said:

My friend  went to Yasothon Immigration yesterday for a extension of his OA visa which he got in UK he has been here on extensions of this OA visa for 12 years they gave him the extension this year but he was told when he next renews next year he MUST HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE so I think what is being stated a lot on here about not needing it is not true members should check with their local immigration and find out this is true.

I think I would trust the Police Order rather than some idiot Immigration Officer who has no clue.

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