Absolute latest from Immigration on Insurance...

[Aforek 1,230]

5 hours ago, lupin said:

 

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Thanks  no ambiguity, it's for new O-A visas , nothing about extension;  problem is that in the same text, below, it's said that people who where granted a O-A visa have to buy a Thai insurance 

confusion, even some I.O are confused 

today somebody in an I.O told my GF everybody needs to buy a Thai insurance, extension or not ; they didn't read the text, the one you sent me is in the first page of the Thai version

[Lumbini 314]

As it sounds like he is voming on a re-entry permit thete is no need to do this.

 

Coming in on a re-entry does not generate a new permission to stay. He id still under the same permission to stay already granted which the Police Order makes clear is not affected.

 

Even if IOs at Arrivals start enforcing this on people whose OAs wrre issued prior to the 31st -- which they hopefully will not -- no implication for someone entering on a re-entry permit.

 

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So if someone bought a re entry permit when they got their retirement extension and few months ago and was planning to use their re entry permit to get back in to Thailand worry free after going back to the US for Thanksgiving holiday should they now be worried about being denied entry back into Thailand after their holiday even if they have valid retirement visa extension , valid re entry permit they purchased and stamped in passport , 20,000 baht in cash and over 6 months left on passport before it expires if they don’t buy this insurance ?

[FatVern 65]

5 hours ago, Lumbini said:

So if someone bought a re entry permit when they got their retirement extension and few months ago and was planning to use their re entry permit to get back in to Thailand worry free after going back to the US for Thanksgiving holiday should they now be worried about being denied entry back into Thailand after their holiday even if they have valid retirement visa extension , valid re entry permit they purchased and stamped in passport , 20,000 baht in cash and over 6 months left on passport before it expires if they don’t buy this insurance ?

Compound speculation on speculation. Head explodes!

[happy chappie 4,388]

My friend went into udon immo yesterday.hes a retired US major.asked him for bank proof of pension which he easily covered but they said he must get a letter from his US bank to say where the money comes from.then said where's his medical health insurance as he's on a non AO.he pulled out his Medicare and his army health insurance and got the knock back on both of them too.

so the latest I can report is you need health insurance today.

 

[Mango Bob 6,651]

I am surprised the Army Major did not know that Tricare was not accepted here because it can not show a 40,000/400,000 inpatient and outpatient policy.  What a shame it is for all retired military here who have free medical for life which is 10x better than what Thailand offers but it is not with a Thailand company.  Something is very wrong here.  The American Embassy should be banging head at immigration.   There are things they can do to make the Thailand government think twice about screwing with us.

[TheAppletons 3,048]

32 minutes ago, happy chappie said:

My friend went into udon immo yesterday.hes a retired US major.asked him for bank proof of pension which he easily covered but they said he must get a letter from his US bank to say where the money comes from.then said where's his medical health insurance as he's on a non AO.he pulled out his Medicare and his army health insurance and got the knock back on both of them too.

so the latest I can report is you need health insurance today.

 

  Is it 31 October already?  

[sidelines 31]

1 hour ago, Mango Bob said:

I am surprised the Army Major did not know that Tricare was not accepted here because it can not show a 40,000/400,000 inpatient and outpatient policy.  What a shame it is for all retired military here who have free medical for life which is 10x better than what Thailand offers but it is not with a Thailand company.  Something is very wrong here.  The American Embassy should be banging head at immigration.   There are things they can do to make the Thailand government think twice about screwing with us.

 

_{To state the obvious, this health insurance issue is wrong on so many levels.}

 

_{It is poorly planned, poorly rationalised and is being poorly executed.}

 

_{I think it is clear that the Police Order is not intended to be retroactive but IOs are treating it as such and are poised to act.}

 

_{What to do?}

 

_{For me, I will be:}

 

_{A Contacting a lawyer}

 

_{B Contacting my Embassy}

 

_{C Asking my Thai partner to contact her MP (he is from the FFP)}

 

_{D Do everything I can to highlight this insanity via social media and mainstream media.}

 

[Sheryl 27,408]

So if someone bought a re entry permit when they got their retirement extension and few months ago and was planning to use their re entry permit to get back in to Thailand worry free after going back to the US for Thanksgiving holiday should they now be worried about being denied entry back into Thailand after their holiday even if they have valid retirement visa extension , valid re entry permit they purchased and stamped in passport , 20,000 baht in cash and over 6 months left on passport before it expires if they don’t buy this insurance ?

Of course not.

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[Martyp 731]

1 hour ago, happy chappie said:

My friend went into udon immo yesterday.hes a retired US major.asked him for bank proof of pension which he easily covered but they said he must get a letter from his US bank to say where the money comes from.then said where's his medical health insurance as he's on a non AO.he pulled out his Medicare and his army health insurance and got the knock back on both of them too.

so the latest I can report is you need health insurance today.

 

Cases like this are a tragedy. Might have to just buy the cheapest Thai insurance that qualifies and just think of it as a monthly tax or fee of a couple hundred USD/month. Expensive.

[Sheryl 27,408]

I am surprised the Army Major did not know that Tricare was not accepted here because it can not show a 40,000/400,000 inpatient and outpatient policy.  What a shame it is for all retired military here who have free medical for life which is 10x better than what Thailand offers but it is not with a Thailand company.  Something is very wrong here.  The American Embassy should be banging head at immigration.   There are things they can do to make the Thailand government think twice about screwing with us.

Obviously having no cash limit Tricare not only meets but exceeds TI requirement. But IOs do not review insurance documents; they look for the standard signed certificate. Need to get that fron Tricare which will be hard to arrange.

There is also an issue of whether any foreign policy or plan will be accepted; this is still being sorted out.

People with Tricare should contact the Embassy and ask them to help in (1) getting signed certificates for Tricare holders and (2) talking to TI/MoPH to explain re Tricare and advocate for acceptance of valud foreign coverage including Tricare and private insurance



Can't expect them to know the problem otherwise.

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[Mango Bob 6,651]

35 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Obviously having no cash limit Tricare not only meets but exceeds TI requirement. But IOs do not review insurance documents; they look for the standard signed certificate. Need to get that from Tricare which will be hard to arrange.

There is also an issue of whether any foreign policy or plan will be accepted; this is still being sorted out.

People with Tricare should contact the Embassy and ask them to help in (1) getting signed certificates for Tricare holders and (2) talking to TI/MoPH to explain re Tricare and advocate for acceptance of valid foreign coverage including Tricare and private insurance



Can't expect them to know the problem otherwise.

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Sherly

I'm am in a Facebook group called Tricare in Thailand.  The only hope we have now is if the Embassy will discuss with Thai government that we exceed the requirement Immigrations has in placed and add us to the longstay insurance group.  That is the only hope I think we have left.  Letters have been sent out to the U.S. government asking for help.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Mango Bob

[Sheryl 27,408]

6 minutes ago, Mango Bob said:

Sherly

I'm am in a Facebook group called Tricare in Thailand.  The only hope we have now is if the Embassy will discuss with Thai government that we exceed the requirement Immigrations has in placed and add us to the longstay insurance group.  That is the only hope I think we have left.  Letters have been sent out to the U.S. government asking for help.

 

Glad to hear the Embassy has been contacted. Please keep us informed.

[Thaidream 9,755]

31 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Glad to hear the Embassy has been contacted. Please keep us informed.

There are some of us who are Disabled Veterans who have covereage under the Foreign Medical Program.  I get treatment regularly and send in the claim and get full reimbursement for everything.   There is no limit and it lasts until one's demise.

 

I just can't see Immigration understanding the documentation.  The only way forward would be an affadvait from the US Embassy signed by the citizen stating  one has coverage from either Tricare or VA.   

 

It's time the Embassy stepped up and started to help its citizens. In fact- along with a medical affadvait- the return of the Income Affadvit makes perfect sense.  We can present documentation to the Embassy verifying not onlly medical coverage from Tricare or VA but letters from Social Security;  the Veterans  Administration and the US Military Retirement section.

 

A citizen shows their documentation which is easily understood- swears under Oath it is true  signs the Embassy affadvit and  then moves onto Thai Immigration who would accept it if the US Embassy  tookk a stand for it's citizens.

[Sheryl 27,408]

13 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

There are some of us who are Disabled Veterans who have covereage under the Foreign Medical Program.  I get treatment regularly and send in the claim and get full reimbursement for everything.   There is no limit and it lasts until one's demise.

 

I just can't see Immigration understanding the documentation.  The only way forward would be an affadvait from the US Embassy signed by the citizen stating  one has coverage from either Tricare or VA.   

 

It's time the Embassy stepped up and started to help its citizens. In fact- along with a medical affadvait- the return of the Income Affadvit makes perfect sense.  We can present documentation to the Embassy verifying not onlly medical coverage from Tricare or VA but letters from Social Security;  the Veterans  Administration and the US Military Retirement section.

 

A citizen shows their documentation which is easily understood- swears under Oath it is true  signs the Embassy affadvit and  then moves onto Thai Immigration who would accept it if the US Embassy  tookk a stand for it's citizens.

 

I can't foresee the Embassy doing what you describe, and  Immigration is going to want this certificate

 

https://longstay.tgia.org/document/overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

 

What they could do is facilitate communication with senior levels of Tricare to explain the certificate and need for it. And perhaps lobby with TI to add Tricare to the approved "list" of insurers.

 

 

[LivinLOS 5,763]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Of course not.

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For an OA re-entry ?? 

 

You seem very sure, of a not so certain thing. Time will tell.