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Unfortunately my Thai is not yet at a level where I can sufficiently understand the Thai version of the new regulations, but assuming it says the same as the English version, then according to reports posted here by people who have been asking questions at various immigration offices around the country, at some of those there might be the same problem of poor reading comprehension as many posters here seem to suffer from.

At least one thing is clear from the English version: Insurance is needed only when doing an entry using a Non O-A visa issued on or after 2019-10-31. Nowhere does it say say anything else - just pure speculation by people arguing otherwise.

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3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Where exactly in the order does it state only applicable to O-A Visa issued on or after 31/10.

The version I read states applicable to 'entering' on a O-A Visa from 31/10.

 

 

I have read the important passage for us in Thai and in English, they the same thing but they are not at the same place

first page of the Thai texte, yes it's said that people who ask for a first entry visa O-A need to have an insurance ( no reference of extension, so we think that if extension, no need of insurance ) from 31 th of october  BUT  and here, for me is the problem 

 

at the end of the text " ( 6) ", there is a sentence which says that " only for an alien , who has been granted Non immigrant Visa class O-A must buy a Thai health insurance online "

English is not my tongue language, but what does mean " has been granted visa O-A " ?; I understand everybody who has a O-A visa , independently  of the date; Jomtien understands the first page, it means no need of insurance, and others, like mine in Prachinburi ( I come back on friday to see this issue again ) understand the (6 ) text 

again, confusion, we are in Thailand

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IMO- any reasonmable IO when reading this order would come to the conclusion that the insurance requirement applies only to an O-A Visa issued after 31 October 2019  and the key to determining this would be simply to look at the page in one's passport that states the type of Visa on received.. The Visa Class clearely shows on the Visa sticker and the  IO stemp upon entry- both places.
 
There is no steatement in the police order that indicates the order is retroactive baxk to any prior issued O-A Visa or extension. (All past police orders have never benn retroactive=  thus some older long stayers do NOT have to show income of 800K but 200K or 500K)   I have never heard of a 'law' change being retroactive.
 
The extension section was amended  simply because at some point an O-A holder will either get a new O-A or may decide an extension is needed. IMO when the  applicant goes to Immigration and the date on the O-A  is after 31 Oct 2019 the applicant needs the insurance for the extension.  
 
In addition- I cannot understand why an IO at an airport would have any ireason to check whether anyone has insurance-  The Embassy would not have issued the O-A without the insurance verification and if the  person entered on an extension of the O-A-  the insurance would have been checked by the  IO at Thai Immigration prior to getting the extension/
 
But people on an OA visa can make additional entries and many do right near the visa expiration so as to get an additional year out of it.

At that point the policy checked by the Embassy will be expired or near expiration and in order to get a second year people will have to have renewed their policy and show proof of same on entry.

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Where exactly in the order does it state only applicable to O-A Visa issued on or after 31/10.
The version I read states applicable to 'entering' on a O-A Visa from 31/10.
We won't know for sure how TI are applying this part of the order until after 31st Oct.

Section 2.22 of Police orders deals specifically with the criteria for extensions based on retirement (not entry to Thailand). The fact that part of the order was amended strongly suggests 'extensions' from a Non O-A entry will be affected.
Again this will become clearer when we get reports from various IO's throughout the Country from members with O-A Visa types.
 
The only certainty, will be the uncertainty of how TI deal with it.


To answer your first question: That can be inferred from the fact that only visas issued from that date and onwards will have remarks made by the issuing embassy regarding insurance.

Your second comment is just speculation.

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IMO- any reasonmable IO when reading this order would come to the conclusion that the insurance requirement applies only to an O-A Visa issued after 31 October 2019  and the key to determining this would be simply to look at the page in one's passport that states the type of Visa on received.. The Visa Class clearely shows on the Visa sticker and the  IO stemp upon entry- both places.
 
There is no steatement in the police order that indicates the order is retroactive baxk to any prior issued O-A Visa or extension. (All past police orders have never benn retroactive=  thus some older long stayers do NOT have to show income of 800K but 200K or 500K)   I have never heard of a 'law' change being retroactive.
 
The extension section was amended  simply because at some point an O-A holder will either get a new O-A or may decide an extension is needed. IMO when the  applicant goes to Immigration and the date on the O-A  is after 31 Oct 2019 the applicant needs the insurance for the extension.  
 
In addition- I cannot understand why an IO at an airport would have any ireason to check whether anyone has insurance-  The Embassy would not have issued the O-A without the insurance verification and if the  person entered on an extension of the O-A-  the insurance would have been checked by the  IO at Thai Immigration prior to getting the extension/
 
To answer your last comment: They can only grant permission to stay until the end of the insurance coverage which may be less than a year from entry.

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I’m retired military 21 years in service and a 100% disabled veteran myself I called TRICARE on Friday and it’s actually not all that hard after all to get the medical certificate. You just call OCONUS TRICARE NOT the Embassy. Make sure you are enrolled in FMP. If anyone has questions OCONUS TRICARE’s information is right here:

https://tricare.mil/ContactUs/CallUs/OverseasResources

I’m on a NON-O anyway so I could care less. But yeah it would be nice if the Embassy would coordinate this with TRICARE and VA for us as they did with the International Direct Deposit Program which is great by the way from the VA. But just so you know the phone number for OCONUS TRICARE Pacific is in the attached weblike above I called and checked on ours last Friday and we’re good, although I’m not really very concerned about this because I’m on a NON-O extension I have been for 5 years now. But this information could help other retired military veterans here like myself. If you are retired military as long as you are enrolled in FMP you are covered way above their standards and getting the coverage certificate is not that hard to do, hopefully the Embassy will eventually make it easier for those of you but it’s not needed for NON-OA extensions either regardless of what people are saying it isn’t. Good luck




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1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

In addition- I cannot understand why an IO at an airport would have any ireason to check whether anyone has insurance-  The Embassy would not have issued the O-A without the insurance verification and if the  person entered on an extension of the O-A-  the insurance would have been checked by the  IO at Thai Immigration prior to getting the extension/

There are members of this forum who obtained their Non O-A prior to any announcement, but will enter on or after 31st October. They won't have any annotations on their Visas.

 

Where do they stand …… on thin ice at the moment.

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22 minutes ago, GRS said:

I’m retired military 21 years in service and a 100% disabled veteran myself I called TRICARE on Friday and it’s actually not all that hard after all to get the medical certificate. You just call OCONUS TRICARE NOT the Embassy. Make sure you are enrolled in FMP. If anyone has questions OCONUS TRICARE’s information is right here:

https://tricare.mil/ContactUs/CallUs/OverseasResources

I’m on a NON-O anyway so I could care less. But yeah it would be nice if the Embassy would coordinate this with TRICARE and VA for us as they did with the International Direct Deposit Program which is great by the way from the VA. But just so you know the phone number for OCONUS TRICARE Pacific is in the attached weblike above I called and checked on ours last Friday and we’re good, although I’m not really very concerned about this because I’m on a NON-O extension I have been for 5 years now. But this information could help other retired military veterans here like myself. If you are retired military as long as you are enrolled in FMP you are covered way above their standards and getting the coverage certificate is not that hard to do, hopefully the Embassy will eventually make it easier for those of you but it’s not needed for NON-OA extensions either regardless of what people are saying it isn’t. Good luck
 

 

You can log onto Tricare or VA right now and get a letter saying your are enrolled in their medical coverage...but it just a letter saying such.  It does not provide any specifics on coverage like Bt400K inpatient and Bt40K outpatient.  Yes, I know the Tricare/VA/FMP coverage is basically unlimited but in order for that coverage to be accepted by immigration the insurance company (Tricare/VA/FMP in this case) would need to sign the special the form (at the link below) addressed to the Thailand Ministry of Public Health.  No insurance company, civilian or govt, is going to sign such a form. 

 

http://longstay.tgia.org/document/overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

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26 minutes ago, GRS said:

from the VA......... If you are retired military as long as you are enrolled in FMP you are covered way above their standards and getting the coverage certificate is not that hard to do,

There are no U.S. veteran hospitals in Thailand. 

So how is VA health insurance policy from the U.S. applicable to making sure you are insured for health problems while in Thailand?  Am not referring to disability related medical care in which you are reimbursed

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5 minutes ago, Pib said:

But the key point for the coverage to be accepted by immigration is the requirement for the medical insurance coverage provider (i.e., Tricare/VA) to complete and sign the Thailand Ministry of Public Health letter--you are not going to get anyone in Tricare/VA to sign such a letter....not going to happen.  And the Thai govt knows this, but it allows them to say "Well, if you could get the letter signed....."

 

That also only works for the initial entry on an O-A Visa.

For further entries/extensions the Insurance must be provided by one of their list of 'approved' Thai Insurers.

 

It makes no difference what the hospitals will accept, it's what TI will accept.

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