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On 10/16/2019 at 8:27 AM, MJKT2014 said:

Read the police order 548/2562 on the Imm Web site . Clearly states only Non O-A visa applicants need insurance. Extenders don't need once inside Thailand. 

This is what people believed.. This doesnt seem to be what immigration believe in some places. Chiang Mai, Jomtien, Prachinburi, to name a few so far. 

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2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Obviously don't wave anything. And don't in any way act as if you think they are idiots.

 

Wai, smile and very politely (but firmly) state your case and show the relevant part of the order. If necessary apologize but explain you have checked the police order and also called Imm in Bangkok and this is what they say. Reach for your phone to call 1178 -- smiling nicely as you do so.

 

PPP: Patient Polite Persistance

 

often wins the day but must have all 3.

 

If you aren't patient and polite you'll antagonize and that always ends badly.

 

If you're polite but easily fobbed off, fobbed off you will be, as that is far easier for them to do than to research an issue or call in a superior. Only when they realize you aren't going to budge will they condider doing either of those things.

 

Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

 

So your still saying that OA visa users, which generated a permission of stay, and now look to extend that permission of stay, should show the police order and say this only applied to the initial issuance of the visa ?? 

Just checking for clarity as thats clearly not whats being said in the real world. Easily fobbed off or not. 
 

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2 hours ago, digger70 said:

Yea I talked to Weegee after he got home from Immigration .What he said and what ubonjoe said is Correct.  the insurance requirement is for the O-A  visa that's obtained in ones home country and is valid only for one year. if one want's  an Extension based on retirement after that one doesn't need Insurance But one needs the 2 month THB 800k in the bank before applying for the extension and than the 3 months after application one must still have the THB 800K, after that one must have THB400K that then must be Topped up to THB 800K 2 months before applying for the next Extension 

 

  According to the order, health insurance is not required for those applying for an extension of stay based on retirement and only applies to Non O-A visas. Non O-A visas are obtained from an embassy or consulate outside of Thailand.     Thank you all Kindly  😉 

Exactly....and thanks. The Immigration Depts are all falling into Sync at last....I believe everything I was told yesterday by Immigration was correct. They were so helpful and friendly about the great list of questions i had with me...I came away Happy.

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1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Best to read the 2nd paragraph of page 7 that states this.

 

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Where are OA visas applied for?

Outside Thailand of course. But can you explain why the item about OA (in the Page 8 chart) is under a headline saying EXTENSIONS? Is that a mistake? Are you sure it means nothing to be under a headline saying EXTENSIONS? Could it be it will apply to OA visas abroad, reentries while still valid at airports/borders, and also extensions with a base O-A? 

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11 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

The point of that thread was to state that extensions are being forced to have insurance, for months people have been stating that it was only VISAS and not extensions of permission of stay. That incountry this would not be applied. 

There is also a lot of confusion at present with some agents claiming extensions of retirement may or may not come under it. What defines an OA extension (if converting a marriage visa for example) versus an O extension.. That is wildly up in the air and will I predict be a mess for the next year. 

What is no longer in doubt, and the purpose of that thread, is that immigration ARE demanding insurance to extend permissions of stay, not only at the time of visa issue. 

  I agree,  There is only one solution waiting to see what happens, after 31 October we will know what was decided and if we would have serious problems.

 

 

 

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Last point.. On the issue of how crazy it is to use extensions of permissions of stay and attempt to trace them back.. 

 

What about the person who obtains an OA visa.. Extends on a marriage class.. Stays on that for a few years.. And now goes in for a retirement extension ?? 

The point I am making is non imm extensions of a permission of stay were always independent of the visa that generated that permission of stay. This new implementation breaks that entire system of logic. 

Because of this break, I would assume it either 'should' never apply to extensions (of retirement, they all default to O rules) or always apply to retirement (they all default to OA rules). Its utterly ridiculous to impose a some do some dont basis when there can have been so many non OA extensions in between. 

Lastly, who wants an OA now ?? Everyone will skip that and go for the O every time. 

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If you take the time to read the police order it clearly start a non 0/a visa.

 

Read the police order in English and Thai here:  

 

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19 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

This is what people believed.. This doesnt seem to be what immigration believe in some places. Chiang Mai, Jomtien, Prachinburi, to name a few so far. 

Where have you seen a report on Prachinburi???

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15 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

So your still saying that OA visa users, which generated a permission of stay, and now look to extend that permission of stay, should show the police order and say this only applied to the initial issuance of the visa ?? 


 

Please reread my post. I did not say that at all.

 

I said anyone on an O visa (not an O-A) being told they need insurance for extensiopn of stay should do that as it is crystal clear in the Police Order, even going so far as to say "only O-A".

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Question . My next door neighbour who is English and comes to Thailand every year for between 6/8 months arrived in mid September on his usual O-A visa at the time there was no requirement for insurance . He will do his 90 day report in December will he have to have insurance prior to his visit or is this insurance requirement only for those who arrive after the date the law was passed , he is 75 not of great health but has always had sufficient monies to cover any minor hospital treatments.

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9 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Where have you seen a report on Prachinburi???

I seen it but I can't remember what post it was on. 

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11 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Where have you seen a report on Prachinburi???

read my post  109

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36 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

This is what people believed.. This doesnt seem to be what immigration believe in some places. Chiang Mai, Jomtien, Prachinburi, to name a few so far. 

All hot and gas 

May i ask for

 Immgr  Dept Police orders  particular Cmai to support  your  above  post or views

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