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On 10/17/2019 at 8:30 AM, DoctorG said:

There are members of both parties who are warmongers/beholden to the military manufacturing regime.

Of course there are! That is the point, both sides only cater to the rich and powerful, and the country (and things like wars) is run accordingly. In fact, I would argue dems are worse. But, that is beside the point.

 

How can we stop warmonger proliferators from wasting tax dollars, and creating more enemies for us while they do it? Simple, elect candidates who do not accept pac money, as i said previously. 

 

This is the next big step Americans need to take. It will be better than a revolution, because it is change for the better without bloodshed. So simple too. 

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On 10/17/2019 at 6:56 AM, legend49 said:

And Donnys new Trump hotel is safe in Turkey.

Is there a transcript of the phone call with Erdogan just before The D announcing this beautiful decision re Syria ?

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8 minutes ago, KKr said:

Is there a transcript of the phone call with Erdogan just before The D announcing this beautiful decision re Syria ?

Of course there is. Trump just needs to be transparent and release it.

 

he did say he was transparent didnt he?

 

i doubt the US allies the kurds who fought isis and lost thousands of lives doing it would agree it was a beautiful decision to withdraw.

 

you do also know the troops from there didnt actually come home, like trump said, but were sent to iraq?

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2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Of course there is. Trump just needs to be transparent and release it.

 

he did say he was transparent didnt he?

 

i doubt the US allies the kurds who fought isis and lost thousands of lives doing it would agree it was a beautiful decision to withdraw.

 

you do also know the troops from there didnt actually come home, like trump said, but were sent to iraq?

"beautiful" as it is unique, albeit in shortsightedness, malfeasance and contempt.

Also, the number of troops was rather small as I understand, yet enough to perform an effective peace keeping role apparently.

Really wonder what was discussed between Messrs Erdogan and Trump.
Don't even want to speculate on that, and rather wait for professional analysts' opinion or facts.

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11 minutes ago, KKr said:

"beautiful" as it is unique, albeit in shortsightedness, malfeasance and contempt.

Also, the number of troops was rather small as I understand, yet enough to perform an effective peace keeping role apparently.

Really wonder what was discussed between Messrs Erdogan and Trump.
Don't even want to speculate on that, and rather wait for professional analysts' opinion or facts.

The fact is that he did not bring the troops home like he said but moved the out of Turkeys way, Two options remain, he coordinated with Erdogan or he run away .

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12 hours ago, sirineou said:

The fact is that he did not bring the troops home like he said but moved the out of Turkeys way, Two options remain, he coordinated with Erdogan or he run away .

Well, I guess DT wants to be advertising bringing troops back as heroes, in case he will be eligible to run in the coming election. Running away does not look like a hero's image.
imho that leaves as an option: collusion with Turkey to infringe upon / occupy Syria's territory and to do with the Kurds as they please.
(and maybe sell some more arms and planes to Turkey, build a Golf resort, not have his properties closed or demolished because of a dripping tap in the fire extinguishing system or a comma on the wrong spot in the permit, who knows.)

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15 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

So it's official: the Democrat party is the party of war.

 

Me? I'm glad our people are out of Syria. It's a regional war of regime change. We should have never been there to start with.

 

Still glad?

U.S. Sends Forces to Protect Syrian Oil Fields

The U.S. military sent fresh forces on Saturday to secure oil fields in eastern Syria, two U.S. officials said, as part of a pivot from a decision earlier this month to pull most American troops out of the country.

The movement of troops back into Syrian positions reflects a desire by Washington to preserve some leverage in the region, as Russian and Syrian forces have also moved in, filling a vacuum in areas once under U.S. influence.

Footage of a U.S. military convoy entering Syria from Iraq was released by the Iraqi Kurdish channel Rudaw.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sends-forces-to-protect-syrian-oil-fields-11572107568

After Betraying the Kurds, the U.S. Isn’t Leaving Syria After All

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a U.K.-based monitoring organization, has reported and posted photos of at least two convoys of U.S. military forces entering eastern Syria from Iraq, roughly three weeks after President Donald Trump ordered the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from the region. According to the report, at least 500 troops have returned to the area near Tal Tamr, which they withdrew from just a week ago.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/kurds-betrayal-troops-return-syria-oil.html

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18 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Still glad?

U.S. Sends Forces to Protect Syrian Oil Fields

.... ....

After Betraying the Kurds, the U.S. Isn’t Leaving Syria After All

.... ....

US has been in the Gulf to protect oil supply, and chances that they will leave are small.

but it is worrying that the knee-jerk meandering seems to indicate that the left hand does neither know nor understand what the right hand is doing ... and, moreover, that some decisions are not taken after careful consideration and objectively assessing the impact on the overall situation.

about time a real commander in chief is put in charge of strategy, and earns respect for balancing the various parties involved based on a long term view of what is best for the region.
(not on a subjective view, or even worse a personal business interest, that is conflicting with the common interest of bringing peace, an interest that seems to have been neglected for as long as I can remember.)

end of rant.
 

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1 hour ago, KKr said:

US has been in the Gulf to protect oil supply, and chances that they will leave are small.

but it is worrying that the knee-jerk meandering seems to indicate that the left hand does neither know nor understand what the right hand is doing ... and, moreover, that some decisions are not taken after careful consideration and objectively assessing the impact on the overall situation.

about time a real commander in chief is put in charge of strategy, and earns respect for balancing the various parties involved based on a long term view of what is best for the region.
(not on a subjective view, or even worse a personal business interest, that is conflicting with the common interest of bringing peace, an interest that seems to have been neglected for as long as I can remember.)

end of rant.
 

Actually, in this case the oil issue was a scam perpetrated by the military and others to convince Trump to go back into Syria. The amounts of oil are small and its quality is poor. And no western oil company is going to illegally start extracting from Syria. But it does feed into Trump's ignorant fantasies about keeping the oil.

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7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Still glad?

U.S. Sends Forces to Protect Syrian Oil Fields

The U.S. military sent fresh forces on Saturday to secure oil fields in eastern Syria, two U.S. officials said, as part of a pivot from a decision earlier this month to pull most American troops out of the country.

The movement of troops back into Syrian positions reflects a desire by Washington to preserve some leverage in the region, as Russian and Syrian forces have also moved in, filling a vacuum in areas once under U.S. influence.

Footage of a U.S. military convoy entering Syria from Iraq was released by the Iraqi Kurdish channel Rudaw.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sends-forces-to-protect-syrian-oil-fields-11572107568

After Betraying the Kurds, the U.S. Isn’t Leaving Syria After All

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a U.K.-based monitoring organization, has reported and posted photos of at least two convoys of U.S. military forces entering eastern Syria from Iraq, roughly three weeks after President Donald Trump ordered the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from the region. According to the report, at least 500 troops have returned to the area near Tal Tamr, which they withdrew from just a week ago.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/kurds-betrayal-troops-return-syria-oil.html

No, I'm disappointed. We should have gotten out of Syria on day one.

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Guess the identity of a certain ignoramus who said the following to justify American troops return to Syria: 

 

"Some troops, he announced last week, would be returning to the country. But not to support those Kurdish allies, so vital in the US-led coalition's battle against Isis, but to "secure the oil," he repeated on Monday... 

“What I intend to do, perhaps, is make a deal with an ExxonMobil or one of our great companies to go in there and do it properly,” Trump said on Sunday."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-syria-oil-us-companies-middle-east-war-resources-a9175266.html

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, I'm disappointed. We should have gotten out of Syria on day one.

Russia, Assad and ISIL agree with you. 

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