J Town Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Pique Dard said: sorry, but trump ...i mean it's surreal to think this man is the usa's president! Even more so that so many millions of blind evangelicals support him absolutely. Doesn't matter what he says or does, he's the second coming according to them! More like the antichrist to those who actually look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 5:00 AM, JHolmesJr said: What a sour bunch of detractors! Trump is the only US leader who has shown the cojones to stand up to China. Even Schumer gives him that. As to the deal, well, I hope he doesn't bring up HK. That is not part of America first. Yes, globalization does not exist, and trade wars are good. And truth is not truth. Standing up to China is one thing. Slamming Xi over the head with a sledgehammer, and devastating millions of American farmers and consumers in the process is quite another. The man cannot negotiate a treaty to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Yes, globalization does not exist, and trade wars are good. And truth is not truth. Standing up to China is one thing. Slamming Xi over the head with a sledgehammer, and devastating millions of American farmers and consumers in the process is quite another. The man cannot negotiate a treaty to save his life. he doesn't have all the time in the world (like Xi) to muck around...so he has to hit them hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: he doesn't have all the time in the world (like Xi) to muck around...so he has to hit them hard. Very, very effective apparently. If you look at declining consumer confidence, a total lack of progress with the negotiations, the loss of very valuable allies, the massacre of the Kurds, with the blessing of Don Donald, and the continued loss of the tiny bit of talent left in the administration, appears you boy is going quite a job. Of bringing America to its knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Alex Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Yes, globalization does not exist, and trade wars are good. And truth is not truth. Standing up to China is one thing. Slamming Xi over the head with a sledgehammer, and devastating millions of American farmers and consumers in the process is quite another. The man cannot negotiate a treaty to save his life. Actually, Trump already negotiated a trade deal with Canada and Mexico- so you are factually incorrect on that point. Now let's move on to your claim about Trump "devastating millions of American farmers". I smelled BS, so did a little Googling. Trump has a 79% approval rating among farmers. Would a "devastated" group support the person who devastated them with 79% support? The only logical answer is NO, of course not. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/07/us-china-trade-war-is-hurting-farmers-but-theyre-sticking-with-trump.html Now let's deal with your "millions of farmers" claim. That also sounded like BS to me. So let's look into that, shall we? Per the link above: "Chinese buyers imported $19.5 billion in U.S. farm goods in 2017." Let's divide $19.5 billion by 1 million farmers (instead of multiple millions as you claimed), just to be gracious to you. For your claim to hold water, we'd have to observe the math and say that 1,000,000 devastated farmers did $19,500 worth of business with China in 2017. Obviously, that $19,500 didn't go away completely. And even if it did, that could hardly be construed as "devastating". But let's take an even closer look. Farmers make about $200 per acre on soybeans. http://www.sudimage.org/how-much-does-a-farmer-make-per-acre-of-soybeans/ $19,500 divided by $200 per acre is a 97.5 acre area. That would be an incredibly small farm. And again, we're not even talking about farmers losing the entire amount of business. So there are 1,000,000 (or more) farmers with 97.5 acre farms devastated by Trump's trade war? Of course not. So you see, no matter how one slices it, your post is completely without merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Alex Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Very, very effective apparently. If you look at declining consumer confidence, a total lack of progress with the negotiations, the loss of very valuable allies, the massacre of the Kurds, with the blessing of Don Donald, and the continued loss of the tiny bit of talent left in the administration, appears you boy is going quite a job. Of bringing America to its knees. Actually, consumer confidence is about where it was when Trump took office. So your claim runs into trouble there. Furthermore, it is currently on the rise. So there's no relief for you there, either. And finally, the current increase in Consumer Confidence beat the forecast: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence Oh and if anything, consumer confidence was trending down the last year or two of the Obama regime. And as you can see from the chart, there was a sharp rise in Consumer Confidence in late 2016. What do you suppose caused that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 @animalmagic Forgive me for not quoting your post, it being lengthy. The Umbrella protest started because although there was progress towards universal suffrage the students deemed it insufficient (obviously steered by external forces) and demanded more. The voting base for CE was expanded but the candidates still had to be approved by the NPC. Hong Kong is not a city. Its a Special Administrative Region i.e. another Chinese Province. The SARs and Autonomous Regions have the freedom to create their own legislation subject to approval by Central Goverment. The extradition bill didn't even get that far. That was not enough for the protestors. As before they want more and they want it now. A shallow way to view progress and definitely not the Chinese way of orderly progress. By the way, the murder suspect who sparked the whole affair is due for release next week and Taiwan are somewhat agitated by that. These hooligans aren't taking on board that an extradition bill covering Chinese territory cant be provincially exclusive and even with one country two systems, if justice is to be done for Taiwan it has to be done for the mainland too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 He is going to cave. The China appeasers have already been at work on it, including Kudlow, Stephen Moore and the other FreeTraderists, and the Chamber of Commerce. Why? To keep his precious stock market bubble inflated until he is re-elected. He will turn on a dime and reverse his China policy exactly like he has done on his other promises--except for the billionaire tax cut, of course. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-economic-advisers-warned-trump-on-tariffs-before-china-truce-11571391006?mod=hp_lead_pos2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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