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18 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I still struggle to make sense of EUs sudden change of will. It was only a week ago that Tusk and Juncker declared that there wasn't enough time for a new deal. And all of a sudden he's chin down on the podium with Boris who looks like he just robbed the bank and got away with it.

 

What happened?

 

If I may speculate, I THINK they know something we don't. And the only plausible explanation I can come up with is that EU are trying to save a couple of bucks from what will otherwise be a No Deal Brexit.

 

I wonder if what they already know is that an extension will be declined by at least one member state.

It just solved the hottest item for E.U. the Irish border ….all that other economic problems they can handle, and the xx billions case ,are as good as in the bank ...

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On 10/17/2019 at 9:45 PM, citybiker said:

British politics has long been poisoned well before Brexit, in fact it's been broken for years, it's just HoC chose to ignore it for political gain.

It's just remainer people vote losers continue to whine they lost.*


*Please note, that's a not a personal dig just an observation that the losing side who say they 'respect the vote' but really many don't, aka Libdems, Labour & SNP.

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I'm a fence-sitter just like Corbyn. but unlike Corbyn I consider that the best approach would have been to address the leavers issues from a seat within the EU. Clearly the EU is nowhere near a perfect Union, nor for that matter is the UK, and especially the government whose austerity programme was one main reason why many  'fed-up' people, and 'out of workers' voted to leave.

 

As regards to respecting the vote, I acknowledge that the government promised to act on the result, but they fell far short of expectations. Nevertheless, both May and johnson delivered a deal that complies with the ballot paper of leaving the EU. That also has to be respected, including MP's. 

 

For example, as is the case for all MPs, I have a democratic right to oppose that decision along with Remainers, as does everyone else who abstained, who voted to leave, and those who oppose the (not as anticipated) deals made by May and johnson.

 

This is truly democracy in the UK - because everyone can join the party, not just 17.4m or 16.8m minority elements.

 

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I still struggle to make sense of EUs sudden change of will. It was only a week ago that Tusk and Juncker declared that there wasn't enough time for a new deal. And all of a sudden he's chin down on the podium with Boris who looks like he just robbed the bank and got away with it.
 
What happened?
 
If I may speculate, I THINK they know something we don't. And the only plausible explanation I can come up with is that EU are trying to save a couple of bucks from what will otherwise be a No Deal Brexit.
 
I wonder if what they already know is that an extension will be declined by at least one member state.


There’s two ways of looking at this, firstly.

A, the EU don’t change or have a change of heart it’s primary focus is the protection of MS, CU & SM as you’d expect, also the backlash from other MS having to increase subs is another factor.

B, Boris big gamble is what it says, however the PM & Cummins would have planned lol scenarios to counter EU & internal domestic rejection, A51 & CCA as previously mentioned.

Lastly, The Letwin amendment to the Benn surrender deal? Parliament is already fully aware of electorate mood & Brussels has made it clear no need for further extension thus the EU attempting at all costs to ensure any failure will now be at the HoC doorstep not Brussels, reducing any litigation.


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I'm a fence-sitter just like Corbyn. but unlike Corbyn I consider that the best approach would have been to address the leavers issues from a seat within the EU. Clearly the EU is nowhere near a perfect Union, nor for that matter is the UK, and especially the government whose austerity programme was one main reason why many  'fed-up' people, and 'out of workers' voted to leave.

 

As regards to respecting the vote, I acknowledge that the government promised to act on the result, but they fell far short of expectations. Nevertheless, both May and johnson delivered a deal that complies with the ballot paper of leaving the EU. That also has to be respected, including MP's. 

 

For example, as is the case for all MPs, I have a democratic right to oppose that decision along with Remainers, as does everyone else who abstained, who voted to leave, and those who oppose the (not as anticipated) deals made by May and johnson.

 

This is truly democracy in the UK - because everyone can join the party, not just 17.4m or 16.8m minority elements.

 

 

Labours biggest issue was consistently ignoring the EU referendum, Blair tried then renegade, the current Labour bunch a worst shower I’ve seen in years.

 

Brexit is similar to the Scottish Indyref IMO, the political class doesn’t get ‘their’ desired result thus using every weak woeful excuse to refuse or drag its feet to implement the result.

 

Both referendums have big a huge wake up call for the political establishment, it will take years for any kind of trust if at all to be reinstated.

 

 

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Labours biggest issue was consistently ignoring the EU referendum, Blair tried then renegade, the current Labour bunch a worst shower I’ve seen in years.
 
Brexit is similar to the Scottish Indyref IMO, the political class doesn’t get ‘their’ desired result thus using every weak woeful excuse to refuse or drag its feet to implement the result.
 
Both referendums have big a huge wake up call for the political establishment, it will take years for any kind of trust if at all to be reinstated.
 
 
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Around the houses Hard Brexiting.

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I still struggle to make sense of EUs sudden change of will. It was only a week ago that Tusk and Juncker declared that there wasn't enough time for a new deal. And all of a sudden he's chin down on the podium with Boris who looks like he just robbed the bank and got away with it.
 
What happened?
 
If I may speculate, I THINK they know something we don't. And the only plausible explanation I can come up with is that EU are trying to save a couple of bucks from what will otherwise be a No Deal Brexit.
 
I wonder if what they already know is that an extension will be declined by at least one member state.
Shock! Hard Brexiteer struggling to make sense. Scratching around in the negotiation process.

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Labours biggest issue was consistently ignoring the EU referendum, Blair tried then renegade, the current Labour bunch a worst shower I’ve seen in years.
 
Brexit is similar to the Scottish Indyref IMO, the political class doesn’t get ‘their’ desired result thus using every weak woeful excuse to refuse or drag its feet to implement the result.
 
Both referendums have big a huge wake up call for the political establishment, it will take years for any kind of trust if at all to be reinstated.
 
 
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The result not being no-deal but don't let that distract the meanderings.

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2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The result not being no-deal but don't let that distract the meanderings.

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Hopefully you soon will no longer have to worry, the thread will be over, you must find a thread where "hard" can fit in on near every post....I don't envy you...😥

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3 minutes ago, transam said:

Hopefully you soon will no longer have to worry, the thread will be over, you must find a thread where "hard" can fit in on near every post....I don't envy you...😥

Yes, I have noticed that as well , he only seems to be concerned about Brexiteers if they are "hard" , and he has no interest in Brexiteers if they are soft

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1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Yes, I have noticed that as well , he only seems to be concerned about Brexiteers if they are "hard" , and he has no interest in Brexiteers if they are soft

Correct.......A strange attitude....

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14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I missed that. Where did the eu state this?
 

Juncker did but the eu as a body, can you provide a link to this statement?

 

I can only find links such as this

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/17/eu-leaders-gather-for-summit-as-boris-johnson-scrambles-to-get-backing-for-brexit-deal-politics-live

I thought that I heard it on the news, maybe I was mistaken 

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27 minutes ago, tebee said:

The UK is going to have to charge near zero import duties to prevent runaway inflation, whille the EU is obliged by WTO to charge tariffs on UK goods being imported there

The UK are also governed by WTO rules .

Why would the EU have different tariff rules, if both the EU and the UK adhere to the same rule book ?

  

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