citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 60 modified pages, 490 unmodified ? IIRC the backstop inc legal text.Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable. Which we now know is utter tosh.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, citybiker said: IIRC the backstop inc legal text. Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable. Which we now know is utter tosh. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Good, glad you see it as a victory. Hope enough people fall for this so we can get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Good, glad you see it as a victory. Hope enough people fall for this so we can get on with it.Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave.The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtank Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Ole Bungle wont get this through parliament. Democratic referendum coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, elliss said: Jip, you were a ardent brexiteer , what has happened , are you ok.? Do you want me to call an Ambulance ?, reverse charges ... 555 ???????? Very kind offer Elliss, ... but it’s not 555, it’s 999 ???? I am a Brexiteer with a soft centre. I voted to leave the EU. The exact details of departure were never my call, they were down to the UK and EU governments. Whilst Farage makes some valid points about a clean break Brexit, the fact remains that a hard Brexit will not be looked upon favourably by the b4stards who influence my GBP/THB exchange rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, fishtank said: Ole Bungle wont get this through parliament. Democratic referendum coming soon. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, citybiker said: Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave. The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk "great and new".... in fact, it is what was recommended initially by Michel Barnier (and rejected by Johnson in 2017 before he resigned), but staged as a "new approach", as he says himself, since, "every four years, the elected representatives of Northern Ireland will decide by majority to renew or not this arrangement". If they were to reject it, the European Union would have a two-year period to guard against the consequences and protect its single market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Opl said: "great and new".... in fact, it is what was recommended initially by Michel Barnier (and rejected by Johnson in 2017 before he resigned), but staged as a "new approach", as he says himself, since, "every four years, the elected representatives of Northern Ireland will decide by majority to renew or not this arrangement". If they were to reject it, the European Union would have a two-year period to guard against the consequences and protect its single market. Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, citybiker said: Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave. The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Err you won a poisoned chalice that has poisoned British politics ever since. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, citybiker said: IIRC the backstop inc legal text. Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable. Which we now know is utter tosh. You are wrong... again. The backstop such as in the first agreement was no more negotiable… while keeping Theresa May's red lines. As soon as PM Johnson opened the possibility to separate North Ireland from UK, the agreement became negotiable again as the red line had moved and a replacement scenario was now possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jip99 said: ???????? Very kind offer Elliss, ... but it’s not 555, it’s 999 ???? I am a Brexiteer with a soft centre. I voted to leave the EU. The exact details of departure were never my call, they were down to the UK and EU governments. Whilst Farage makes some valid points about a clean break Brexit, the fact remains that a hard Brexit will not be looked upon favourably by the b4stards who influence my GBP/THB exchange rate. hah all you care about is money....where is your vision of the Brexit Highlands that Saint Nigel has promised if only we can believe and act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 This is what Brexit looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, baboon said: Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same? Indeed, 50 B€ if you please , LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Err you won a poisoned chalice that has poisoned British politics ever since. Well done. British politics has long been poisoned well before Brexit, in fact it's been broken for years, it's just HoC chose to ignore it for political gain.It's just remainer people vote losers continue to whine they lost.**Please note, that's a not a personal dig just an observation that the losing side who say they 'respect the vote' but really many don't, aka Libdems, Labour & SNP.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, baboon said: Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same? Agree 100%...... and I wish that could be the case. SNP will just vote against everything, as will Lib Dems now they are the declared anti-Brexit party. Labour are between a rock and a hard place - do they support this deal (which if T. May had brought it back previously, they no doubt would have done) or do they continue to oppose anything Johnson does. They certainly cannot use the line of going back to the EU to negotiate a better deal......... and then oppose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: hah all you care about is money....where is your vision of the Brexit Highlands that Saint Nigel has promised if only we can believe and act. Strange, I never had that vision. Milk and honey is a land that only exists in fables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, citybiker said: British politics has long been poisoned well before Brexit, in fact it's been broken for years, it's just HoC chose to ignore it for political gain. It's just remainer people vote losers continue to whine they lost.* *Please note, that's a not a personal dig just an observation that the losing side who say they 'respect the vote' but really many don't, aka Libdems, Labour & SNP. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk I am liking your civil and polite asterisk......plus I am 1000% on your Unionist stance - Scotland had a referendum and voted No and that's that. Stronger together and all that though a lot of your Brexiteer friends see it a a subsidy junkie on the English purse they would like to be rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I am liking your civil and polite asterisk......It's my caveat and I'm sticking to it. [emoji1]Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Strange, I never had that vision. Milk and honey is a land that only exists in fables. You must have been at the back when listening to Saint Nigel's sermon on the mount.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Agree 100%...... and I wish that could be the case. SNP will just vote against everything, as will Lib Dems now they are the declared anti-Brexit party. Labour are between a rock and a hard place - do they support this deal (which if T. May had brought it back previously, they no doubt would have done) or do they continue to oppose anything Johnson does. They certainly cannot use the line of going back to the EU to negotiate a better deal......... and then oppose it. Maybe Parliament will think long and hard, if and when confronted by a sizeable lynch mob of both Leavers and Remainers. Let's hope so. This bullcrap can't go on. Screw the 'All or nothing' lunatics on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Only 1 Country has to refuse extension other 26 can not change that = ….veto it and it is done , so …..maybe Luxemburg ?? As that country PM. was already fed up with the Brexit uncertainty …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I am liking your civil and polite asterisk......plus I am 1000% on your Unionist stance - Scotland had a referendum and voted No and that's that. Stronger together and all that though a lot of your Brexiteer friends see it a a subsidy junkie on the English purse they would like to be rid of. Obviously, i'm unable to speak on behalf of other leavers OR remainers however politics is 'nasty vile business'. To the point I believe the HoC has become a national embarrassment.However, honouring & delivering on referendums is vital to democracy not just ignored by the chosen few aka minority. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: To be fair we're living in clown world, and everyone is electing clown rulers, although May was a serious contender for clown PM, BoJo is the undisputed clown king (in the UK). Farage is the evil Joker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, citybiker said: Obviously, i'm unable to speak on behalf of other leavers OR remainers however politics is 'nasty vile business'. To the point I believe the HoC has become a national embarrassment. However, honouring & delivering on referendums is vital to democracy not just ignored by the chosen few aka minority. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Are you prepared to accept Johnson's deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Are you prepared to accept Johnson's deal?Maybe you should ask the MP's.Seeing as EP-president has ruled out an extension despite what Leo says. Are remainers prepared to accept the UK is leaving the EU? Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, citybiker said: Maybe you should ask the MP's. Seeing as EP-president has ruled out an extension despite what Leo says. Are remainers prepared to accept the UK is leaving the EU? Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk No, I am asking you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Forethat said: I don't think the deal will pass (I haven't seen the deal so I can't speak on whether I want it to pass or not). But I still suspect the reason BJ has that smug smile on his face is that he knows the request for an extension will be declined by at least one country... Hungary? Are you not the same guy who told me that we'd be leaving on 31 March 2019 ... ? Wrong again. There is not one EU country that would throw away political capital to help engineer a no deal Brexit ... Orban knows that the EU would turn off the money tap. If an extension is needed, for an election or referendum, it will be granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 No, I am asking you.The UK as a whole is NOT leaving the EU which has always placed integrity of the Union, all that Brussels have done is annexed NI.You could say its #BorisBRINOLastly, as Junker has ruled out any further extension it's now either this Boris Deal or No deal, which is still a possibility.Personally, I don't accept the deal for those reasons.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Farage is the evil Joker.... You can imagine him in his house, cigarette in one hand, pint in the other, dancing to a Gary Glitter album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, citybiker said: The UK as a whole is NOT leaving the EU which has always placed integrity of the Union, all that Brussels have done is annexed NI. You could say its #BorisBRINO Lastly, as Junker has ruled out any further extension it's now either this Boris Deal or No deal, which is still a possibility. Personally, I don't accept the deal for those reasons. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk I think the deal is the way to go, but fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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