UK PM Johnson agrees 'great' new Brexit deal with EU

[citybiker 962]

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IIRC the backstop inc legal text.

Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable. Which we now know is utter tosh.




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[stevenl 29,289]

3 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

IIRC the backstop inc legal text.

Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable. Which we now know is utter tosh.




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Good, glad you see it as a victory. Hope enough people fall for this so we can get on with it.

[citybiker 962]

Good, glad you see it as a victory. Hope enough people fall for this so we can get on with it.

Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave.

The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory.




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[fishtank 4,003]

Ole Bungle wont get this through parliament.

Democratic referendum coming soon.

 

[Jip99 11,279]

19 minutes ago, elliss said:

     

        Jip,   you were  a ardent brexiteer ,   what  has happened , are you ok.?

         Do you want me to call an  Ambulance ?,   reverse charges ... 555

 

 

 

 

 

Very kind offer Elliss, ... but it’s not 555, it’s 999 

 

 

I am a Brexiteer with a soft centre.

 

 

I voted to leave the EU. 

 

 

The exact details of departure were never my call, they were down to the UK and EU governments. 

 

 

Whilst Farage makes some valid points about a clean break Brexit, the fact remains that a hard Brexit will not be looked upon favourably by the b4stards who influence my GBP/THB exchange rate. 

[Jip99 11,279]

4 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Ole Bungle wont get this through parliament.

Democratic referendum coming soon.

 

 

[Opl 5,483]

4 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave.

The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory.




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"great and new".... in fact, it is what was recommended initially by Michel Barnier (and rejected by Johnson in 2017 before he resigned), but staged as a "new approach", as he says himself, since, "every four years, the elected representatives of Northern Ireland will decide by majority to renew or not this arrangement". If they were to reject it, the European Union would have a two-year period to guard against the consequences and protect its single market.

[baboon 19,720]

16 minutes ago, Opl said:

"great and new".... in fact, it is what was recommended initially by Michel Barnier (and rejected by Johnson in 2017 before he resigned), but staged as a "new approach", as he says himself, since, "every four years, the elected representatives of Northern Ireland will decide by majority to renew or not this arrangement". If they were to reject it, the European Union would have a two-year period to guard against the consequences and protect its single market.

Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same?

[beautifulthailand99 4,010]

30 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

Excuse me, the only victory was back in 2016 when the U.K. voted to leave.

The deal is not a victory, it’s not being fully supported so hardly a victory.




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Err you won a poisoned chalice that has poisoned British politics ever since. Well done. 

[Pattaya46 4,008]

33 minutes ago, citybiker said:

IIRC the backstop inc legal text.

Which Brussels always stated was non-negotiable.

Which we now know is utter tosh.

 

You are wrong... again.

The backstop such as in the first agreement was no more negotiable… while keeping Theresa May's red lines.

As soon as PM Johnson opened the possibility to separate North Ireland from UK, the agreement became negotiable again as the red line had moved and a replacement scenario was now possible.

[beautifulthailand99 4,010]

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

Very kind offer Elliss, ... but it’s not 555, it’s 999 

 

 

I am a Brexiteer with a soft centre.

 

 

I voted to leave the EU. 

 

 

The exact details of departure were never my call, they were down to the UK and EU governments. 

 

 

Whilst Farage makes some valid points about a clean break Brexit, the fact remains that a hard Brexit will not be looked upon favourably by the b4stards who influence my GBP/THB exchange rate. 

hah all you care about is money....where is your vision of the Brexit Highlands that Saint Nigel has promised if only we can believe and act. 

[beautifulthailand99 4,010]

This is what Brexit looks like

 

[Opl 5,483]

6 minutes ago, baboon said:

Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same?

Indeed, 50 B€ if you please , LOL 

[citybiker 962]

Err you won a poisoned chalice that has poisoned British politics ever since. Well done. 

British politics has long been poisoned well before Brexit, in fact it's been broken for years, it's just HoC chose to ignore it for political gain.

It's just remainer people vote losers continue to whine they lost.*


*Please note, that's a not a personal dig just an observation that the losing side who say they 'respect the vote' but really many don't, aka Libdems, Labour & SNP.

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[Jip99 11,279]

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

Can't we now just accept this deal as a compromise, move on and stop pouring buckets of s̶h̶i̶ slop over one another? And urge Parliament to do the same?

 

 

Agree 100%...... and I wish that could be the case.

 

 

SNP will just vote against everything, as will Lib Dems now they are the declared anti-Brexit party.

 

Labour are between a rock and a hard place - do they support this deal (which if T. May had brought it back previously, they no doubt would have done) or do they continue to oppose anything Johnson does.

 

They certainly cannot use the line of going back to the EU to negotiate a better deal......... and then oppose it.