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22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'd like to hear Ubonjoe's opinion on this. If an expat got a legit stamp but the agency and cooperating io were later cracked down on would the expat be in trouble or not? My only feeling about that is that it's possible but not certain

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What you have to remember is that ANY visa can be withdrawn at ANY time by immigration if they feel the need and have sufficient grounds to do so. No matter what the circumstances of issuance.

 

If a visa was deemed to have been issued "in error" or some other reason it would be cancelled and the applicant have to re-apply, as the stamp was legally issued by the correct authority.

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The applicant is responsible that all the information on the forms and all submitted documents are correct.

If someone fills in the form for you and does it correct, fine.

If someone writes incorrect information and/or i.e. an incorrect document from a bank then it's your responsibility to check your application and all documents.

 

Personally I used an agent a long time ago for visa runs. And now our company uses an agent to make sure we fill out all the forms correctly and we submit all the necessary documents. If we do something wrong then our agent tell us to correct if before we go to immigration.

 

So in principle an agent can be helpful. Just make sure you check what you sign.

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In case you don't know be aware of the scam artists.

I remember a visa agent from a long time ago. It seems he had his home made stamp and the he "approved and issued" all those visas.

I think they allowed him 7 days to leave the country...

 

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3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The applicant is responsible that all the information on the forms and all submitted documents are correct.

If someone fills in the form for you and does it correct, fine.

If someone writes incorrect information and/or i.e. an incorrect document from a bank then it's your responsibility to check your application and all documents.

 

Personally I used an agent a long time ago for visa runs. And now our company uses an agent to make sure we fill out all the forms correctly and we submit all the necessary documents. If we do something wrong then our agent tell us to correct if before we go to immigration.

 

So in principle an agent can be helpful. Just make sure you check what you sign.

We are not talking about "companies" here.

THE agents who do it promise they can get the retirement visa extention

WITHOUT having to keep 800K baht in a thai bank.

that is all the point here. People pay those agents 15-30K so they will

not have to send - and keep - 800 k BAHT in a thai bank account !

And that's , my friend, brings to the question, is this practice legal, or, more

precisely, will it not cause problems for ME, the small time average joe

who use their service?

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3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

In case you don't know be aware of the scam artists.

I remember a visa agent from a long time ago. It seems he had his home made stamp and the he "approved and issued" all those visas.

I think they allowed him 7 days to leave the country...

 

my fear is what will happan to me, if i used such an agent, legal or not, in

case he gets caugth?

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3 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

We are not talking about "companies" here.

THE agents who do it promise they can get the retirement visa extention

WITHOUT having to keep 800K baht in a thai bank.

that is all the point here. People pay those agents 15-30K so they will

not have to send - and keep - 800 k BAHT in a thai bank account !

And that's , my friend, brings to the question, is this practice legal, or, more

precisely, will it not cause problems for ME, the small time average joe

who use their service?

The company was just an example of what real agents do.

 

I guess it's like this: If the agent lends to you 800k and you can officially say you own the money (at that time) then I guess it's legal. The money must be in your bank account and you must have a legal document from the bank confirming it's your money.

 

But if you don't own that money but somehow you get a letter from a nice bank manager that he confirms you have an account, which you don't. Now then I would think twice if you really want to take that risk.

 

And going to the police and telling them agent x did something illegal is likely not helpful.

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7 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

my fear is what will happan to me, if i used such an agent, legal or not, in

case he gets caugth?

Best case the nice officers will tell you that your visa application was illegal and please do it again and make sure it's legal.

So maybe make sure it's legal right from the beginning - or live with the risk.

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7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

This was covered off in another thread a short while ago and I remember posting a few paragraphs from an edict which was issued by immigration and it stated that, "the senior officer in the immigration department has the authority to sign off on a retirement extension without proof of funds" – – – or something along those lines, and it was made very clear that the senior officer has dispensation to do exactly that, so I can't see it being illegal?

THANKS for your reply.

i guess that explain it all.

that is the explanation to the legality of those agents

and i guess this is how they do it.

maybe twisted, unjust, inconsistent, but i don't mind, as long

as it will not get me into troubles.

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29 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

indeed. i have no problem with visa agents, as long as they

will not get ME into trouble.

and the fee of 15K baht is worth it, if i can keep 800K out of thailand.

investing 800K in conservative way , with 3% annual return, will bring

24K annual profit, which will cover the visa agents commision.

 

Or you could just take 2% here and then only pay 1900 every year, and 100 for the letter.  You really need a banking presence here, anyways.

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Of course the topic here isn't about customers actually meeting the requirements and paying for clerical help!

 

I assumed everyone was on the same page here realizing it's about making a payoff via an agent where you aren't actually meeting the financial requirements with your own money.

 

Geez Louise.

 

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