Exclusive: Satellite images reveal China's aircraft carrier 'factory,' analysts say

[Sujo]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, I will agree that Chinese totty is superior to western totty these days, but how many would prefer to being ruled by the Chinese? Ask any Tibetan or Uighur for an answer on that.

Personally i prefer the chinese. You know what you get. China is ruling many places with buying them instead of bombing them.

 

They are open about it. I will take china over US any day.

[elliss]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, I will agree that Chinese totty is superior to western totty these days, but how many would prefer to being ruled by the Chinese? Ask any Tibetan or Uighur for an answer on that.

 

   I have been to China quite a few times ,  their work ethic is incredible , we in the west , cannot compete .

    Chinese tooty , amazing , fantastic,  not inspired by greed .  

     I started to learn the lingo,   but China not have lotus and big  C.

     As for freedom of speech , also not have...

 

 

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

   I have been to China quite a few times ,  their work ethic is incredible , we in the west , cannot compete .

    Chinese tooty , amazing , fantastic,  not inspired by greed .  

     I started to learn the lingo,   but China not have lotus and big  C .. 

 

Wwhat is a "tooty" ?

[elliss]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Wwhat is a "tooty" ?

 

 Taken with Noodles .. 

 

 

[Salerno]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Wwhat is a "tooty" ?

Chinese for totty ????‍♂️

[zydeco]

8 hours ago, jany123 said:

A sampling... there’s plenty of articles available... MAGA!

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/other-nations-view-china-more-favorably-than-the-us-survey-shows.html

The first six countries on your list are virtually powerless. The have almost no influence, good or bad, whatsoever.

[zydeco]

8 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

I found Kissenger’s book, ”On China” an interesting read.

I'm not sure the move to support China was supposed to be permanent.

[observer90210]

Each time we buy whatsoever an electronic device, we are financing China, making it a bit more powerful

 

Even when we buy a new european car, many of the many electronics in that car are Made in (Guess)..... so again,  we are now indirect shareholders of the Chinese Aircraft Carrier - FullSizeClass Co Ltd., ????....and so on, so on, so on.....from furniture, to sex toys to almost everything except maybe a genuine Rolex or Audemars Piguet....

 

It's the western world's greed that today powered China and when the Chinese labour will scorn at low paid jobs, the global giant consumer corporations will shift their manufaturing plants elsewhere...... and the whole fun will repeat and start again and again....

 

.....so What are we complaining about here ?

[FritsSikkink]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We are now in a period when the west is destroying itself with stupid controversies about gender and climate etc, while the real threat is building, but ignored by the western news organisations.

The Chinese are not, IMO, building a world class navy just to have them show the flag. 

The British navy kept world peace- I have no hopes that the Chinese will do the same.

"The British navy kept world peace" ROFL

They conquered and occupied half of the world.

[jany123]

30 minutes ago, zydeco said:

The first six countries on your list are virtually powerless. The have almost no influence, good or bad, whatsoever.

Be that as it may, my posting had nothing to do with any nations power or influence... good, bad or whatsoever... but rather it was an example of research into perception. Research that was requested by the member I responded too.

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The  Houthi rebel attack on the Saudi oil fields has shown the face of war is changing. Why spend billions on an aircraft carrier, when one can do just as well at a fraction of the cost with thousands of drones against which defences are helpless?

Your example is local. Naval power is a projection of power over large distances. Houthi embroiled in a local struggle hardly reflects the needs of an emerging global power.

[TPI]

20 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

Mere vanity. You can't win a war with an aircraft carrier, only bomb a few things at a distance, make a lot of enemies, and be worse off than when you started. Territory is never won by air strikes, only by bayonets on the ground. Any evidence that they are planning any actual invasions?

 

 

Agreed, only the infantry can take and hold ground everything else is just "flumery"!

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, mikebike said:

Your example is local. Naval power is a projection of power over large distances. Houthi embroiled in a local struggle hardly reflects the needs of an emerging global power.

Substitute mini-submarines or fast, small surface craft. Modern explosives pack a hell of a lot more wallop.

Or go back to Pearl Harbour as an example of mobility confounding bulk.

Why do you think the Chinese are building airstrips on islands in the South China Sea? Unsinkable aircraft carriers.

[ChouDoufu]

On 10/18/2019 at 1:48 PM, JamesBlond said:

Mere vanity. You can't win a war with an aircraft carrier, only bomb a few things at a distance, make a lot of enemies, and be worse off than when you started. Territory is never won by air strikes, only by bayonets on the ground. Any evidence that they are planning any actual invasions?

 

 

aircraft carriers nowadays only useful against 3rd world countries with no real military.  missiles and subs and drones and swarming craft force them to standoff outside of their own aircraft's range.

 

sure, china may be building a 3rd or 4th carrier --- they have all of the south china sea to patrol, as well as guarding their own sea-lanes as part of OBOR.

 

could be the analysts are seeing what they want to see.

 

i see shipyards for building long/wide ships.  china drinks lotsa oil, would be more efficient for them to build more of their own tankers to bring in crude oil from iran and venezuala.  with their own ships, and trading in local currencies and RMB, they can tell trump to stick his sanctions where musk's minisub shines.

[ChouDoufu]

20 hours ago, Tug said:

No it dident the Japanese wanted to continue the fight it was the russans pushing the Japanese out Korea in less than 2 weeks the specter of a Stalin occupying japan was the major part of their decision along with the (bomb) any nation has the right to build warships the trick will be how to operatit safely that will take some time who knows what the future will bring

no, the bomb was a show of force for the russians, not the japanese.

 

it was to show the commies that we not only had the ability to completely vaporize cities with no military purpose whatsoever, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, but we also had the will to do so.

[emptypockets]

22 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

kSurprise  supplies?

The  "How  dare they !" crie that rings such alarm bells is puerile.

A nation that has been propelled  by the ignorant  self inflicted  abuse of greed  of others to economic advantage that has enabled it  to develop and produce military capacity can hardly  be of  surprise.

It could be safely assumed  China  has many more surprises should it be tested.

 

 

 

They surprised everyone with landing on the far side of the moon as well as putting a relay orbiter in place. Why did they do it...who knows?

I now a lot of people poo poo the Chinese as producing cheap junk, and they do....but not all of it is,by any stretch of the imagination.

They also test fired an electro-magnetic projectile recently. As I understand it the first country to do so on a military scale. No heat signature to track. Just ..Blam...gotcha...bye bye aircraft carrier.

No doubt built by the brightest western educated minds the country has.

[ChouDoufu]

it is true.  the chinese produce junk.  at least that's what most of us see back home in wal-mart and harbor freight.

 

but if you think about it, that's the stuff that was ordered by western megacorporations to be the cheapest possible in order to squeeze the last drop of profit out of the transaction.

 

we (the western corporate buyer) specifically request cheap junk, therefore cheap junk is what we (the consumer) receive.

[emptypockets]

5 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

it is true.  the chinese produce junk.  at least that's what most of us see back home in wal-mart and harbor freight.

 

but if you think about it, that's the stuff that was ordered by western megacorporations to be the cheapest possible in order to squeeze the last drop of profit out of the transaction.

 

we (the western corporate buyer) specifically request cheap junk, therefore cheap junk is what we (the consumer) receive.

Exactly. I work for a company who learnt that the hard way, if your specifications are loose you get what you get. if your specifications are spot on then the equipment you get is spot on world class quality.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/18/2019 at 6:48 PM, JamesBlond said:

Mere vanity. You can't win a war with an aircraft carrier, only bomb a few things at a distance, make a lot of enemies, and be worse off than when you started. Territory is never won by air strikes, only by bayonets on the ground. Any evidence that they are planning any actual invasions?

 

 

It's pretty obvious to any that want to see.

It's already happening, just without a military involvement. More than one way to take over a country. The Chinese did it to LOS over a hundred years ago.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, emptypockets said:

No doubt built by the brightest western educated minds the country has.

Clever people the Chinese. They pay for all the military stuff with western money, and design stuff with people educated in the west, not forgetting that they've been stealing technology from western countries that set up there so they could sell <deleted> to western people at a greater profit than making it at home.

They've been playing the west for fools ever since they fooled Nixon into agreeing to bring them into the world economy.

[mikebike]

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Substitute mini-submarines or fast, small surface craft. Modern explosives pack a hell of a lot more wallop.

Please explain how you get mini-submarines or small, fast surface craft to South America, Africa, etc... from China if you are an emerging global power and are projecting your strength without large sea-crafts.

[ChouDoufu]

8 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Please explain how you get mini-submarines or small, fast surface craft to South America, Africa, etc... from China if you are an emerging global power and are projecting your strength without large sea-crafts.

shipping containers?

 

[zhounan]

Recently satellites have discovered a lot of things, who knows why everyone is pointing to China. 

 

What's strange about a politically and monetarily sovereign country in building its own weapons?

The US don't do the same?

 

[mikebike]

33 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

shipping containers?

 

Yes, of course - if you are projecting military might across the globe there will be a convenient container port nearby... and do you think you will have to arm the container ships? Because whomever the enemy is would just wait until you had off-loaded your military cargo from a private-transport vessel, ya know, just to be nice... hence, the OBVIOUS need for military-grade transport - usually referred to as "aircraft-carriers"...

[WeekendRaider]

I'd prefer that they were blue motif aircraft carriers but anything that confronts the evil of my home country which has self convinced itself that Co2 is not a green house gas.... is a very good thang!

97% or more of Amerikee believes Co2 is either a Chinese Hoax, or 'only about some ice beginning to melt in 2100 something'... or that it is only about losing one's dreams or that it is too late for anything, including adaption except for a better border wall to stop folks none of us will have the heart to stop.

so.  go to it China!  build a couple dozen and make them bigger and better than the USA's. 

it can't get any worse than 2019, after reading Rosenfeld et. al. in January Science on an underestimated aerosol effect, Xu et. al.  on the Chao Phraya river basin and Freund et. al. in Nature Geoscience on Central Pacific ENSO's doubling in recent decades topped off with July 2019, in a year in which we never went above a neutral ENSO condition..... the hottest month ever recorded.  flat out. 

go to it China!!!!!  whoaaah China.  and I'm as American as anyone can be,     

[Enoon]

 

China will happily continue to go about the "business" of "conquering" the wider world with trade and commerce.

 

But China knows that it matters not how "peacefully" it goes about this business.

 

Because it knows that the mere act of doing so has created fear, and will continue to create fear, within the Empire of the US.

 

It has to be prepared to meet the methods that the US has, time and again, used to protect it's "interests".

 

That's what happens when nations determine to be the "biggest and the best" (or to remain the biggest and best), when they are driven by the compulsion for growth/progress/improvement/power (or the compulsion to maintain all that), irrespective of how much they wish to avoid, or engage in, military action.

 

The "rationale" is timeless:

 

"The real reason that forced the war was the growth of Athenian power and Spartan fear of it".

                                     History of the Peloponnesian Wars, Thucydides (460BC-395BC).

 

 

 

[Enoon]

17 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

it is true.  the chinese produce junk.  at least that's what most of us see back home in wal-mart and harbor freight.

 

but if you think about it, that's the stuff that was ordered by western megacorporations to be the cheapest possible in order to squeeze the last drop of profit out of the transaction.

 

we (the western corporate buyer) specifically request cheap junk, therefore cheap junk is what we (the consumer) receive.

 

I sell some goods in the UK which are from branded, high-quality, UK/European "names".

 

They are high quality and reliable.

 

Many would be surprised to discover that they are made in China.

 

A lot of people are happy to pay really cheap prices for short life, throw away junk.

 

And the Chinese will happily cater for that market as well.

 

"Quality" depends on what has been negotiated, arranged and overseen.

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, zhounan said:

Recently satellites have discovered a lot of things, who knows why everyone is pointing to China. 

 

What's strange about a politically and monetarily sovereign country in building its own weapons?

The US don't do the same?

 

The US don't want to invade where I am. On the other hand a certain country probably does want to take us over, though not right now.

[thaibeachlovers]

32 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

China will happily continue to go about the "business" of "conquering" the wider world with trade and commerce.

 

But China knows that it matters not how "peacefully" it goes about this business.

 

Because it knows that the mere act of doing so has created fear, and will continue to create fear, within the Empire of the US.

 

It has to be prepared to meet the methods that the US has, time and again, used to protect it's "interests".

 

That's what happens when nations determine to be the "biggest and the best" (or to remain the biggest and best), when they are driven by the compulsion for growth/progress/improvement/power (or the compulsion to maintain all that), irrespective of how much they wish to avoid, or engage in, military action.

 

The "rationale" is timeless:

 

"The real reason that forced the war was the growth of Athenian power and Spartan fear of it".

                                     History of the Peloponnesian Wars, Thucydides (460BC-395BC).

 

 

 

Doesn't matter how it's dressed up, most of us in the west don't want to be ruled by China.

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, WeekendRaider said:

it can't get any worse than 2019, after reading Rosenfeld et. al. in January Science on an underestimated aerosol effect, Xu et. al.  on the Chao Phraya river basin and Freund et. al. in Nature Geoscience on Central Pacific ENSO's doubling in recent decades topped off with July 2019, in a year in which we never went above a neutral ENSO condition..... the hottest month ever recorded.  flat out. 

go to it China!!!!!  whoaaah China.  and I'm as American as anyone can be,     

Translate the first paragraph please, and for the second, be careful what you wish for. The people of Hong Kong would disagree with you, as would the Uighurs and the Tibetans.