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1 minute ago, tebee said:

yes will pass it on 

 

Thanks, could you tweet to Sara that her tweet is sexist and could you post her reply on here please 

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17 minutes ago, tebee said:

I'm hearing much the same message on Twitter.

 

So we are at the point where we just accept whatever terrible deal is on offer?

It's not as if the EU has worn us down with it's tenacious negotiating - we have worn ourselves down negotiating with ourselves!

What else can we do? Wait for the EU to give us all the benefits we currently enjoy for none of the responsibilities? Not going going to happen.

Go back to the drawing board and have them decide enough is is enough and out we go with No Deal?

Slowly bleed to death as/if we are granted extension after extension?

 

Let's quit arguing and blaming one another and just MAKE IT STOP!

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9 minutes ago, baboon said:

What else can we do? Wait for the EU to give us all the benefits we currently enjoy for none of the responsibilities? Not going going to happen.

Go back to the drawing board and have them decide enough is is enough and out we go with No Deal?

Slowly bleed to death as/if we are granted extension after extension?

 

Let's quit arguing and blaming one another and just MAKE IT STOP!

But the problem with this deal is it provides no long term certainty. Much that was in the binding withdrawal agreement is pushed into the political declaration  to be decided later. NI futures is uncertain - there they  can decide every couple of year to change it. never ending extensions are replaced by never ending transitions.

 

It all goes back to invoking article 50 for political purposes, before we had and idea what leave meant(other than leave)   

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This has gotten pretty screwed up hasn't it. Usually you can see the way a political issue is developing, but this has more twists and turns than a crime novel.

I read last night words from Junker that sounded like he was saying to Parliament, pass this because we will give no extensions. Parliament really screwed themselves when they wrecked Boris' negotiating strategy, wrongly in my opinion.

Now it seems Boris does not have the votes to pass this without the DUP. So it seems we are back in 'extension land', which is appopriate since the EU never seem to tackle any actual issues, but agree to meet later, kicking the can down the road and hoping that the problem will solve itself if no action is taken for long enough (think Greek debt).

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3 hours ago, nauseus said:

If it were not for Brexit there would have been an election already, scheduled or not. Most of the MPs likely to lose their seats are remainers who are sitting on these green benches courtesy of leave voters, who had trusted the main party manifestos and who put them there. They will be ejected at next opportunity and they will know that already. 

I think will be very bad for Labour...37% of Labour voters voted Leave. I think they will get crushed in marginals....and if Boris and the Brexit party agree not to split the vote in key constituencies, then I can see the Tories plus Brexit party with an overall majority. 

The Tories will fare badly in the next election if this deal is done.....they need the election to be about Brexit....if the deal passes or there is no deal than the election might be about poverty, inequality of living standards and then the Tories will be minced beef.

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As soon as I heard the eu thought the proposed deal was a good one,knew it was a wrong ,un. Mays surrender scheme regurgitated.

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1 hour ago, baboon said:

What else can we do? Wait for the EU to give us all the benefits we currently enjoy for none of the responsibilities? Not going going to happen.

Go back to the drawing board and have them decide enough is is enough and out we go with No Deal?

Slowly bleed to death as/if we are granted extension after extension?

 

Let's quit arguing and blaming one another and just MAKE IT STOP!

Make it stop,right on get.out without a deal,at last,we agree on something.

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22 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So vote leave promised we would remain in the single market. People voted based on that. Why are we not staying in the single market? 

Johnson said there would never be a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK but here we are trying to do that.

They lied. Again and again.

There is no mandate for this. 

The leave win has been hijacked by Brexit fundamentalists.

Because for over 3 years "negotiations" were managed by Teresa May and her chosen Remainer cabinet and it took them that long to screw it up for the UK.

 

Boris inherited this steaming pile of bovine excretia and has had less than 3 months to deal with it. And he has tried despite Tory party MPs quitting, parliament hogtying him and that "nice" Gina Miller getting the courts onto him.

 

Teresa May must be laughing her socks off at this lot yet she is the main person to blame for it, and of course David Cameron who started it off knowing that at the referendum Remainers would win hands down. Har de har de har.

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1 hour ago, baboon said:

What else can we do? Wait for the EU to give us all the benefits we currently enjoy for none of the responsibilities? Not going going to happen.

Go back to the drawing board and have them decide enough is is enough and out we go with No Deal?

Slowly bleed to death as/if we are granted extension after extension?

 

Let's quit arguing and blaming one another and just MAKE IT STOP!

And then we can apply to re-join 😄

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3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Make it stop,right on get.out without a deal,at last,we agree on something.

But we have a deal, one that the EU has decided they will give us and all the leavers are hoovering it up and high fiving each other.  I can accept it but have no illusions. We have been shafted good and proper

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3 hours ago, tebee said:

It seems a very bad deal all round - effectively May's  deal without the concessions she got from the EU . Other than being able to say we left the EU with a deal I can't see what it gives us.  Very bad for the economy, splits NI from the UK, leaves us in a terrible negotiating position, does not protect workers rights. I can't see either side of the brexit devid being happy with it.  

Protect workers rights?such as zero hour contracts,the gig economy,bogus self employment status to get round the minimum wage,and a glut of cheap migrant labour courtesy of " freedom of movement "? I,'ll have a pint of what you've been drinking,and before any of our pseudo armchair socialists pipe up don,t forget in Labour's last 3 terms of office they didn,t rescind any of Thatcher draconian anti trade union laws.

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4 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But we have a deal, one that the EU has decided they will give us and all the leavers are hoovering it up and high fiving each other.  I can accept it but have no illusions. We have been shafted good and proper

In what way have we been "shafted" ?

Both sides agreed to the deal 

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4 hours ago, nauseus said:

If it were not for Brexit there would have been an election already, scheduled or not. Most of the MPs likely to lose their seats are remainers who are sitting on these green benches courtesy of leave voters, who had trusted the main party manifestos and who put them there. They will be ejected at next opportunity and they will know that already. 

There may be quite a few from the Labour benches too especially those constituencies who voted to leave but whose MPs voted to remain.

 

It will be interesting to see who will be left when the smoke clears.

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