Brexit on a knife edge as PM Johnson stakes all on 'Super Saturday' vote

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The UK was a very rare thing, a giver not a taker. To the tune of untold billions of pounds per annum.

"untold billions", obviously there are those that can make it up.

Contribution to the EU budge is 0.72% of income tax, compared to the 6% that as to be paid just for the interest on the National Debt.

The EU contribution may go south but the interest is going to head a lot further north.

[stephenterry]

HERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE LEAVERS WOULD APPRECIATE. iT'S BEEN ON EVERY BREXIT msn PAGE SINCE 2016

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[TopDeadSenter]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"untold billions", obviously there are those that can make it up.

Contribution to the EU budge is 0.72% of income tax, compared to the 6% that as to be paid just for the interest on the National Debt.

The EU contribution may go south but the interest is going to head a lot further north.

You will be relieved that after we Brexited (as per the democratic referenda result) we can stimulate our economy like never before. New policies like lowering corporation taxes to zero to lure as many foreign businesses and investors as we want. We could get our economy roaring like the innards of a nuclear power reactor. All at the expense of the EU. They will be spitting feathers in Brussels, what a shame!

[beautifulthailand99]

4 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

2/1 we leave by the 31st, 4/5 on that the vote passes today!

That would be the bookies that had us Remaining in 2016 ........probably see Malagateddy returning if he thinks he will win the bet - he's been absent for quite a while from here - hope he's ok. I shall be on the March with my nephew with Thai Visa Forum for Remain.......according to the Torygraph St Nige has joined us ¬

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/19/one-way-explain-nigel-farages-behaviour-becoming-remainer/

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You will be relieved that after we Brexited (as per the democratic referenda result) we can stimulate our economy like never before. New policies like lowering corporation taxes to zero to lure as many foreign businesses and investors as we want. We could get our economy roaring like the innards of a nuclear power reactor. All at the expense of the EU. They will be spitting feathers in Brussels, what a shame!

I suppose you need to cling on to something as austerity phase 2 kicks in, reality is the pot of gold is always just out of reach.

[yodsak]

Latest odds 17th Oct..   

 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

I suppose you need to cling on to something as austerity phase 2 kicks in, reality is the pot of gold is always just out of reach.

UK pensioners getting 4% bribe for coming election - sorry expats that honey is not for you...all on our huge tick at some time we're going to have to the pay the bill. 

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Further explained:

By Graham Moore ex UKIP and English Democrats (NF). Now founder and leader of the White Pendragons, an openly white supremacist group of double digit membership.

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

By Graham Moore ex UKIP and English Democrats (NF). Now founder and leader of the White Pendragons, an openly white supremacist group of double digit membership.

How would such an ineffective fruitcake scare you?

[Basil B]

20 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

will lawmakers be happy spoiling the weekend?

 

what do they bookies say?

UK in EU or not on 1st Nov?

 

 

just a quick look 2/3... the bookies may be right but certainly not a certainty.

 

But more interestingly:

"Boris Johnson to lead the Conservatives at next General election" 1/14

"Boris Johnson to be the shortest serving PM ever (under 119 days)" 5/6 

 

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

How would such an ineffective fruitcake scare you?

 

He wouldn't, but you should declare the credentials of people you quote. Against forum rules to post the extreme right wing racist nonsense that you continually post without declaring the true scource.

[Somtamnication]

They better vote to accept. For God, Queen and Country. Now I know how people under colonial rule felt. God Save The Queen!

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You will be relieved that after we Brexited (as per the democratic referenda result) we can stimulate our economy like never before. New policies like lowering corporation taxes to zero to lure as many foreign businesses and investors as we want. We could get our economy roaring like the innards of a nuclear power reactor. All at the expense of the EU. They will be spitting feathers in Brussels, what a shame!

I would be mightily relieved if it were in any way true. Unfortunately, pure fiction. Even your analogy is fiction. The innards of a nuclear power reactor don't roar, completely silent actually.

 

 

[Denim]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Further explained:

 

Who is Fred and what is twita ?

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Denim said:

Who is Fred and what is twita ?

Person in video is using the name "Daddy Dragon". He is actually Graham Moore ex UKIP and English Democrats (NF). Now founder and leader of the White Pendragons, an openly white supremacist group of double digit membership. Even evadgib, the original poster, admits that he is an "ineffective fruitcake".

 

23 minutes ago, evadgib said:

How would such an ineffective fruitcake scare you?

 

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that would mean shooting themselves in the foot

 

never mind, will not hurt much, they are getting used to that kind of shooting . . .

 

[oldhippy]

50 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You will be relieved that after we Brexited (as per the democratic referenda result) we can stimulate our economy like never before. New policies like lowering corporation taxes to zero to lure as many foreign businesses and investors as we want. We could get our economy roaring like the innards of a nuclear power reactor. All at the expense of the EU. They will be spitting feathers in Brussels, what a shame!

As I always suspected: back to the 19th century.

[tebee]

52 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You will be relieved that after we Brexited (as per the democratic referenda result) we can stimulate our economy like never before. New policies like lowering corporation taxes to zero to lure as many foreign businesses and investors as we want. We could get our economy roaring like the innards of a nuclear power reactor. All at the expense of the EU. They will be spitting feathers in Brussels, what a shame!

So you get all those businesses moving here - they you leavy zero taxes on them - How does this help the economy ? 

[beautifulthailand99]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

So you get all those businesses moving here - they you leavy zero taxes on them - How does this help the economy ? 

Twas always going to be a rich man's Brexit - Johnson if and when he gets his big majority will be showering lavish gifts on his rich chums and their ilk and the working class will in time realise that unlike the Who they will have been fooled again. Was ever thus - the rich man in his castle the poor man at his gate (doffing his cap and waving at the Lord). 

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The treaty is terrible. It’s 95% the same as May’s treaty which was a record defeat.

 

I am surprised people predict it will pass the House of Commons. It pleases nobody except the EU.

 

I am equally disappointed that the likes of Mogg are supporting and promoting it. Hopefully the majority of the ERG and the DUP will reject it out of sight.

 

It seems people are getting worn down and will accept any old <deleted> now. That’s weak. Personally I would accept at least 5 more years of this <deleted>sh0w to get a clean break. Long term it will be worth it and I hope others will not just get beat down by the Machiavellian Parliamentary BS and give up. 
 

It should be an interesting couple of weeks.????????

 

 

Maybe JRM and the smarter ERG membership have sussed out that after May got her ass serially handed back with her deals, this 'worse' deal that Bojo has pushed through indicates that there's not a snowball's chance in hell of getting anything remotely 'better' from the EU.

 

The DUP have been summarily dismissed and marginalized at last and Bojo has finally got rid of that albatross he inherited through May's fustercluck of a snap election.

[TopDeadSenter]

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

So you get all those businesses moving here - they you leavy zero taxes on them - How does this help the economy ? 

Big companies have many staff and workers. They will still pay personal income tax. But mainly for eg. Unilever has approx 150,000 staff. Each will consume fresh produce, each will pay indirect taxes for example alcohol duties etc etc. Each will need somewhere to live. So even if the company tax on Unilever was 0% the benefit to the UK would be immense if companies of this scale moved en masse to our fair shores.

 If you want to see the benefit of such policies just look at the likes of Jersey and Guernsey. The chief industry of potato farming went downhill since the 70s so they tempted the titans of industry to move there by negligible taxes which is why the islands are so rich, and all islanders benefit from this. The opposite of your tax them to the pips socialism.

[NanLaew]

38 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

42 minutes ago, Denim said:

Who is Fred and what is twita ?

Person in video is using the name "Daddy Dragon". He is actually Graham Moore ex UKIP and English Democrats (NF). Now founder and leader of the White Pendragons, an openly white supremacist group of double digit membership. Even evadgib, the original poster, admits that he is an "ineffective fruitcake".

An absolutely horrible specimen of humanity typically found on the sole of one's shoe in the environs of Battersea.

 

This is much, much better and she probably has (irrelevant, fat, white, English, daddy) dragons for breakfast.

 

 

[oldhippy]

7 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Big companies have many staff and workers. They will still pay personal income tax. But mainly for eg. Unilever has approx 150,000 staff. Each will consume fresh produce, each will pay indirect taxes for example alcohol duties etc etc. Each will need somewhere to live. So even if the company tax on Unilever was 0% the benefit to the UK would be immense if companies of this scale moved en masse to our fair shores.

 If you want to see the benefit of such policies just look at the likes of Jersey and Guernsey. The chief industry of potato farming went downhill since the 70s so they tempted the titans of industry to move there by negligible taxes which is why the islands are so rich, and all islanders benefit from this. The opposite of your tax them to the pips socialism.

That is not how it works.

 

Big corporations will move their "tax seats" to the UK, and will produce in poor countries, with very few employees in the UK.

Furthermore, do you expect the EU to just let this happen without reprisals?

And since you're at it, why not furter diminish workers' rights and privatise the NHS?

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Furthermore, do you expect the EU to just let this happen without reprisals?

A far as I know the EU has always paid big grants for companies to relocate from the UK to mainland Europe.

[beautifulthailand99]

Letwin Amendment from Dr Who 

 

[NanLaew]

16 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Big corporations will move their "tax seats" to the UK, and will produce in poor countries, with very few employees in the UK.

Win win no? Huge tax windfalls to fund the lifestyles of the newly rich and famous indolent wannabe's AND fund welfare for those that missed the bus. Nothing at all wrong with cheap, foreign labour... as long as they stay cheap and foreign.

 

16 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Furthermore, do you expect the EU to just let this happen without reprisals?

They'll be far, far too busy pumping superglue into the Iberian 'Catalan crack' and keeping Italy and Greece from slipping off under the Med. That and pushing for full Moldovan membership of the EU. You know, the really important stuff.

 

16 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

And since you're at it, why not furter diminish workers' rights and privatise the NHS?

That might not be such a bad idea after all. Maybe the NHS workers will happier working for a real boss instead of seeing their funding being squandered by ineffective, faceless management boards and trusts.

[beautifulthailand99]

[tebee]

50 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Win win no? Huge tax windfalls to fund the lifestyles of the newly rich and famous indolent wannabe's AND fund welfare for those that missed the bus. Nothing at all wrong with cheap, foreign labour... as long as they stay cheap and foreign.

 

 

But the super rich pay virtually no tax by using tax havens - there is not going to be much trickdown from a few of them.

50 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

They'll be far, far too busy pumping superglue into the Iberian 'Catalan crack' and keeping Italy and Greece from slipping off under the Med. That and pushing for full Moldovan membership of the EU. You know, the really important stuff.

 

You can believe that if you want, but those countries are very happy in the EU, more so when they see the mess we make

50 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

That might not be such a bad idea after all. Maybe the NHS workers will happier working for a real boss instead of seeing their funding being squandered by ineffective, faceless management boards and trusts.

The privatisations that have worked so well for council services and the railways, much poorer service and more expensive.

So much so that there is talk of reversing them.  

[yodsak]

If the Letwin bill passes there won't be a vote on the Boris deal tonight.

 Will be held on Super Tuesday.   

[sungod]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

So you get all those businesses moving here - they you leavy zero taxes on them - How does this help the economy ? 

Ermmm...... Tough one, jobs maybe?