snoop1130 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 EU's Juncker brands Brexit a 'waste of time and energy' European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker speaks during a debate on the last EU summit and Brexit at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France, October 22, 2019. REUTERS/Vincent Kessler STRASBOURG (Reuters) - European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said on Tuesday that Brexit has been a “waste of time and energy”, and it has irked him that he could not have spent more of his five-year mandate on making the bloc serve its citizens better. Juncker told the European Union assembly in Strasbourg that it could only approve the Brexit deal that was struck with London last week once it has been approved by the British parliament. “We need now to watch events in Westminster very closely, but it’s not possible, not imaginable that this parliament would ratify the agreement before Westminster has ratified the agreement. First London, then Brussels and Strasbourg,” he said. European Council President Donald Tusk told EU lawmakers that he was discussing British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s request for an extension of the Oct. 31 Brexit deadline with the leaders of the other 27 member states and would make a decision “in the coming days”. “A no-deal Brexit will never be our decision,” Tusk told the European Parliament in Strasbourg, to applause from lawmakers. Johnson faces two pivotal Brexit votes in parliament on Tuesday that will decide if he can deliver on his pledge to lead Britain out of the EU in just nine days time. As the clock ticks down to the latest Oct. 31 deadline for the United Kingdom’s departure, Brexit is hanging in the balance as a divided parliament debates when, how and even whether it should happen. After he was forced by opponents into the humiliation of asking the EU for a delay that he had promised he would never ask for, Johnson is battling to ram legislation through the House of Commons that will enact his last-minute Brexit deal. Juncker has repeatedly said that he regrets Britain’s decision to leave the EU, which stemmed from a referendum three-and-a-half years ago. “In truth it has pained me to spend so much of this mandate dealing with Brexit when I have thought of nothing less than how this union could better do for its citizens - waste of time and waste of energy,” he said. -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-22 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 He's right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdoc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 These so called 'lawmakers' need to follow the spirit of the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 EU informants tell the letter BoJo was forced by Parliament to send to the EU as PM, was NOT undersigned (not by him or anyone else)...! ...While a second letter was added, he had written in his personal name, saying he didn't want any more extension, that one signed in his name! I guess even true brexiteers with some sense of honour will be disgusted by such turpitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, bangrak said: EU informants tell the letter BoJo was forced by Parliament to send to the EU as PM, was NOT undersigned (not by him or anyone else)...! ...While a second letter was added, he had written in his personal name, saying he didn't want any more extension, that one signed in his name! I guess even true brexiteers with some sense of honour will be disgusted by such turpitude. It was probably your "EU informants" who started this trendy turpitude ball rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: “In truth it has pained me to spend so much of this mandate dealing with Brexit when I have thought of nothing less than how this union could better do for its citizens - waste of time and waste of energy,” he said. am with you Jean Claude ... the UK? lots of non sense decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 But I thought Boris has now this great deal? Or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anterian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Ironically if Junker et al had met Cameron half way in his request for changes in the UK's terms of association the referendum would never have been called. Brexit owes its creation to the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, anterian said: Ironically if Junker et al had met Cameron half way in his request for changes in the UK's terms of association the referendum would never have been called. Brexit owes its creation to the EU. A.: any request for such changes wasn’t for Juncker to decide, but for the 27 other Member States. B.: you mean bij ‘changes’ even more opts-out and exemptions than the UK already had? Oh, never mind the facts, let’s just blame the EU for the mess we made of it............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, anterian said: Ironically if Junker et al had met Cameron half way in his request for changes in the UK's terms of association the referendum would never have been called. Brexit owes its creation to the EU. It's never enough..." The UK has negotiated a number of exceptions (called opt-outs) from parts of EU legislation since it joined the EEC in the 1970’s. Where the UK has negotiated such exceptions, the UK is not bound by EU rules in these areas, or has other special arrangements." https://politick.co.uk/uk-opt-outs-from-eu-legislation/ "the U.K. was skeptical of the EU before it even existed." “You must know that when we have to choose between Europe and the open seas, we will always be with the open seas.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 He actually had a choice, what he wanted to be the most important thing in his work. Appearently facts today shows he made the wrong choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 48 minutes ago, damascase said: A.: any request for such changes wasn’t for Juncker to decide, but for the 27 other Member States. B.: you mean bij ‘changes’ even more opts-out and exemptions than the UK already had? Oh, never mind the facts, let’s just blame the EU for the mess we made of it............... True but negotiations were held with the Council. Small changes and no extra opts outs that were not already in place. No good Juncker saying this now. The genie has left the building bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 All history now, if Boris keeps his word... Quote The government will abandon its Brexit bill if MPs vote down its three-day timetable to get it through Parliament. Boris Johnson told MPs if the programme was rejected and the EU confirmed a delay to the 31 October exit, he would instead push for a general election. The PM said Parliament had been "caught in a deadlock of its own making", and he would "in no way allow months more of this" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50142367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, nauseus said: True but negotiations were held with the Council. Small changes and no extra opts outs that were not already in place. No good Juncker saying this now. The genie has left the building bottle. It took you a while but there it is, that bottle again. Keep bringing it back so that we know who to blame for the Brexit shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, anterian said: Ironically if Junker et al had met Cameron half way in his request for changes in the UK's terms of association the referendum would never have been called. Brexit owes its creation to the EU. Brexit thinking. It’s always somebody else’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 It is not unlikely that any vote in Parliament will include a conditional mandatory requirement for a second and "binding" confirmatory referendum. Either way that falls in result will not over ride the incredible sociopolitical divisions of the UK that have been generated by this fiasco. It will not fade away quickly and is more likely to disrupt the UK for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I would put money on it, that any brexit that does happen, will be reversed within a few years, both because the public will see what a stupid idea it was as it's bad effects permeate the economy and society in general and because the older brexiters die off and are replaced by youngsters with more of a European vision. So yes, it's a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNXexpat Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 He is right. Perhaps the Britons will see it not, but in one year they will. Btw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Brexit based on a myth "the grass is greener on the other side", misleading information and dammed right lies, it was doomed as soon as TM published her deal last November they have been kicking the rusty tin in circles ever since. Boris should do the decent thing, revoke Article 50, we can then have a general election and he can go and lie-down in that ditch... All parties can put it to the electorate what they want to do with Brexit, revive it, put it to another referendum or just put it down to a bad experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: But I thought Boris has now this great deal? Or not? "Oh no it's not" "Behind you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Topdoc said: These so called 'lawmakers' need to follow the spirit of the law Isn’t Johnson the one seeking to defy the law ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, tebee said: I would put money on it, that any brexit that does happen, will be reversed within a few years, both because the public will see what a stupid idea it was as it's bad effects permeate the economy and society in general and because the older brexiters die off and are replaced by youngsters with more of a European vision. So yes, it's a waste of time Correct and how willing do you think that band of nations will be to readmitting a country with illusions of colonial grandeur given the mess it created. I’ve always thought the biggest tragedy in all of this is the way the future generations have been trashed by ageing predominantly racist selfish coffin dodgers. Given a chance to put that right they will take it. Unless of course a brexiteer can come up with evidence the young think otherwise ? Brexiteer strategy one step forward three steps back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, CNXexpat said: He is right. Perhaps the Britons will see it not, but in one year they will. Btw: Haha that is incredible !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, damascase said: It took you a while but there it is, that bottle again. Keep bringing it back so that we know who to blame for the Brexit shambles. I can't remember ever mentioning "that" bottle. What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Bruntoid said: Correct and how willing do you think that band of nations will be to readmitting a country with illusions of colonial grandeur given the mess it created. I’ve always thought the biggest tragedy in all of this is the way the future generations have been trashed by ageing predominantly racist selfish coffin dodgers. Given a chance to put that right they will take it. Unless of course a brexiteer can come up with evidence the young think otherwise ? Brexiteer strategy one step forward three steps back Trainee sub-editors assigned to the Morbid Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, damascase said: It took you a while but there it is, that bottle again. Keep bringing it back so that we know who to blame for the Brexit shambles. who to blame? ain't hard to point a finger ---> the UK plebs, just cannot stop voting for Tory and Labour enjoy the mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Ironically if Junker et al had met Cameron half way in his request for changes in the UK's terms of association the referendum would never have been called. Brexit owes its creation to the EU.Hello! Every time the wheels come off, the Hard Brexiteers lash out the blame routine.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Hello! Every time the wheels come off, the Hard Brexiteers lash out the blame routine. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app agree, why the heck should EU offer UK any further special deals? UK already enjoys a handfull of specialties for pommies, suffice those does. There is no point in developing the European project in direction of the "EU and UK association", UK should take what she has agreed to or <deleted> off, although - seems the peeing cannot bring her ut - maybe her pecker is pointing in the wrong direction am thoroughly disappointed with UK and also somewhat frightened/scared maybe the moorings should be cut and you can freely drift off into the North Atrlantic and sink when it suits you - but keep a watch so you don't bump into the Irish lands and hurt 'em on the way yes! let Britain be great again and surely all the ice melting going on will bring around some riplles you can rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: agree, why the heck should EU offer UK any further special deals? UK already enjoys a handfull of specialties for pommies, suffice those does. There is no point in developing the European project in direction of the "EU and UK association", UK should take what she has agreed to or <deleted> off, although - seems the peeing cannot bring her ut - maybe her pecker is pointing in the wrong direction am thoroughly disappointed with UK and also somewhat frightened/scared maybe the moorings should be cut and you can freely drift off into the North Atrlantic and sink when it suits you - but keep a watch so you don't bump into the Irish lands and hurt 'em on the way yes! let Britain be great again and surely all the ice melting going on will bring around some riplles you can rule. Welcome back from hibernation. Sorry you slept so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Parliament just rejected johnsons timetable. MPs reject Brexit bill timetable https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50146182 He said he would withdraw bill if this happened. Boris Johnson to pull Brexit bill if timetable not approved https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50142367 We shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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