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9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 So if I understand this correctly, she did not leave the scene of the accident until help arrives, and her only "crime" so far (as far as the scene of the accident issue is concerned)   is that she did not  remain to meet and  confront the parents. I wonder, did she know the parents were coming? and was the severity of the injuries apparent at the time? What was the state of her mind after a horrific accident? 

I am not trying to excuse her just considering a different narrative. 

Her crime is she did not take responsibility but left, or fled, the country.

 

Did she have that right, probably, although right now that is cast into doubt. Was she morally wrong, yes, no doubt.

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15 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 So if I understand this correctly, she did not leave the scene of the accident until help arrives, and her only "crime" so far (as far as the scene of the accident issue is concerned)   is that she did not  remain to meet and  confront the parents. I wonder, did she know the parents were coming? and was the severity of the injuries apparent at the time? What was the state of her mind after a horrific accident? 

I am not trying to excuse her just considering a different narrative. 

That's what I understood. After all, it's all a matter of personal attitude.  If you were in her shoes, what would have been your behaviour?

I do find puzzling your question about her knowing or ignoring if the parents would be - or not-  able to rush to the scene.. for in other circumstances, other people, would also try to go to the hospital and share the concern - maybe the pain - but every person is different. I'm not judging. But in the end there are conséquences she is able to escape thanks to her status, again.        

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39 minutes ago, Opl said:

That's what I understood. After all, it's all a matter of personal attitude.  If you were in her shoes, what would have been your behaviour?

I do find puzzling your question about her knowing or ignoring if the parents would be - or not-  able to rush to the scene.. for in other circumstances, other people, would also try to go to the hospital and share the concern - maybe the pain - but every person is different. I'm not judging. But in the end there are conséquences she is able to escape thanks to her status, again.        

A most reasonable response above. 

As far as to "I do find puzzling your question about her knowing or ignoring if the parents would be - or not-  able to rush to the scene. " I was only speculating if she knew his parents were coming , to wait for them, as it was suggested she should had, and  if she was even in a state of mind to consider such things. I am sure she must had being pretty shook up her self.

Easy to clinically judge from the comfort of our armchair, but put yourself in her situation. A woman along , in a foreign country, involved in a horrific accident, a bloody young man on the ground. 

Exactly!! what would you do if you were in her shoes. What would your wife do, what would my wife do?

I like to think I will do all the things you described, but I don't know. 

  I don't know what her state of mind was after the accident, I know if it was my wife, she would be a basket case . Who knows? After she settled down I am sure she was offered legal advice. I am sure she followed such legal advice. 

Perhaps she is a good person who reacted improperly in some people's minds, Perhaps she is a vile inconsiderate person.  I don't know her and wont venture to speculate. 

All I have spoken about so far is the legality of the situation and some of the terms thrown about 

 What I see so far is an accident,  with nothing illegal proven , and a lot of biased emotional opinions..

 

 

 

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On 10/22/2019 at 6:07 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

How high is the chance that she will ever go to jail for this even if she is guilty? Maybe 1% or less?

 

But if the USA wants Julian Assange then the UK jumps...

 

I don't like Americans doing stupid stuff overseas. I detest it. That said, and unfortunately, the woman in question has diplomatic immunity. And while I am a fan of Julian Assange, he does not have diplomatic immunity.

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7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

A most reasonable response above. 

As far as to "I do find puzzling your question about her knowing or ignoring if the parents would be - or not-  able to rush to the scene. " I was only speculating if she knew his parents were coming , to wait for them, as it was suggested she should had, and  if she was even in a state of mind to consider such things. I am sure she must had being pretty shook up her self.

Easy to clinically judge from the comfort of our armchair, but put yourself in her situation. A woman along , in a foreign country, involved in a horrific accident, a bloody young man on the ground. 

Exactly!! what would you do if you were in her shoes. What would your wife do, what would my wife do?

I like to think I will do all the things you described, but I don't know. 

  I don't know what her state of mind was after the accident, I know if it was my wife, she would be a basket case . Who knows? After she settled down I am sure she was offered legal advice. I am sure she followed such legal advice. 

Perhaps she is a good person who reacted improperly in some people's minds, Perhaps she is a vile inconsiderate person.  I don't know her and wont venture to speculate. 

All I have spoken about so far is the legality of the situation and some of the terms thrown about 

 What I see so far is an accident,  with nothing illegal proven , and a lot of biased emotional opinions..

 

 

 

An accident with nothing illegal proven? Even Trump admitted she was in the wrong, there is no question about that.

The uproar concerns the aftermath.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

An accident with nothing illegal proven? Even Trump admitted she was in the wrong, there is no question about that.

The uproar concerns the aftermath.

if something illegal has occurred she should be charges  and begin extradition proceedings to bring her back.

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1 minute ago, sirineou said:

if something illegal has occurred she should be charges  and begin extradition proceedings to bring her back.

It appears to me the problem is the concept of diplomatic immunity. Unless the rules are changed, we will continue to see incidents like this.

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1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

It appears to me the problem is the concept of diplomatic immunity. Unless the rules are changed, we will continue to see incidents like this.

 The rules will not change because the problems such rule change will create. will far outnumber the problems it will solve. 

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11 minutes ago, sirineou said:

if something illegal has occurred she should be charges  and begin extradition proceedings to bring her back.

Could happen, since she is back in the USA her diplomatic immunity isn't applicable anymore. However I think the extradition treaty involves criminal activity. I don't know if she committed a crime and whether this would be covered by the treaty.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Could happen, since she is back in the USA her diplomatic immunity isn't applicable anymore. However I think the extradition treaty involves criminal activity. I don't know if she committed a crime and whether this would be covered by the treaty.

Perhaps responsible governments should, at the very least, consider implementing sanctions against people who abuse their diplomatic immunity. I suspect that is lacking worldwide.

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23 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Perhaps responsible governments should, at the very least, consider implementing sanctions against people who abuse their diplomatic immunity. I suspect that is lacking worldwide.

Yes, but U.S Diplomats don't come top of mind when refering to diplomatic immunity abuses, but it's OOT 

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Maybe police didnt interview her in UK earlier because she told a judge she was not leaving the UK.

 

But then did. So at great cost police had to go to US.

 

Only real recourse for UK is to ban her and her husband from being diplomats in UK and maybe denying any diplomatic posting for anyone until she returns.

 

Wont hold my breath on that though. If it was a diplomat from Togo then maybe.

 

But the US is not known for doing the right thing.

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On 10/26/2019 at 7:33 AM, sirineou said:

I dont know the particulars of this case , so what I say below might not be correct, So far no one has provided a link to any publication that contradicts what I say.

    If the police did not want her to leave they should had placed travel restrictions on her or confiscated  her passport. 

Did they?   Link please

If they did not she had every right to travel, thus she did not "Fled" she departed after (from what I was told in this thread) 10 days post accident. 

According to Wikipedia, she talked to the cops and promised to NOT leave the country, but left anyway. The US will not remove her diplomatic immunity based on the fact that it was an accident. She drove on the wrong side of the road, which lead to a head-on collision. 
 

So, clearly she fled! Which goes to show what kind of person she is! She should’ve faced the music! 
 

Again, they could NOT restrict her travels nor confiscate her passport because of diplomatic immunity.

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Obviously diplomatic immunity laws need to be revised, such that killing another person is excluded.

Here's a thought - Boris declares the entire US embassy in London persona non grata until she returns to the UK. He could out-trump Trump.

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