Inn Between Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 If it plays out that the Democrats impeach Trump, but that gesture is virtually meaningless because the Senate refuses to convict him, so he remains in office, and then he's re-elected again, will that officially make US politics the strangest in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said: You left out your problem. Trump made no mention of holding back aid at all, much less in exchange for Ukraine to "find out what happened". Oops! Then of course, "find out what happened" could have resulted in finding out Biden did nothing wrong- and that would have satisfied Trump's request. Now, let's address your attempt to equate crack head Hunter Biden with the Trump children. Of course Trump helped his children along in the real estate business. For decades. That's what parents do. Any rational person would expect that. Hunter Biden's sudden segue to international business after being kicked out of the Navy for drugs using an elected official parent as leverage is obviously an entirely different matter. President Zelensky asked for Javelin anti-tank missiles, and Trump responded with "do us a favor though". That made it clear that Trump expected a quid pro quo. If we're going to "find out what happened" based on nothing but conspiracy theories, then let's find out why Deutch Bank, a notorious money laundering bank, was the only bank willing to fund Trump's businesses after his string of bankruptcies. Are Don Jr and Eric in the real estate business? I thought they were appearing on Fox not-News programs and collecting checks for public speaking engagements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said: You left out your problem. Trump made no mention of holding back aid at all, much less in exchange for Ukraine to "find out what happened". Oops! Then of course, "find out what happened" could have resulted in finding out Biden did nothing wrong- and that would have satisfied Trump's request. Now, let's address your attempt to equate crack head Hunter Biden with the Trump children. Of course Trump helped his children along in the real estate business. For decades. That's what parents do. Any rational person would expect that. Hunter Biden's sudden segue to international business after being kicked out of the Navy for drugs using an elected official parent as leverage is obviously an entirely different matter. The evidence is that the aide was indeed held until ukraine would say publicly it was investigating. do u live in a cave and not know the uncontradicted evidence under oath? please deal with facts, not opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Apologies, may be a bit early in russia to get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideJocky Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Sujo said: The evidence is that the aide was indeed held until ukraine would say publicly it was investigating. do u live in a cave and not know the uncontradicted evidence under oath? please deal with facts, not opinions. Why are you so afraid of Biden being investigated? Like Trump, if he’s done nothing wrong he has nothing to fear, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, RideJocky said: Why are you so afraid of Biden being investigated? Like Trump, if he’s done nothing wrong he has nothing to fear, right? Correct. I dont care at all if biden is investigated. Do it. The impeachment investigation is not about him, its about trump. If you want a biden investigation then set it up and do it legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, RideJocky said: Why are you so afraid of Biden being investigated? Like Trump, if he’s done nothing wrong he has nothing to fear, right? OMG, this has been gone over SOOOOO many times. '...sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe'. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ The Biden conspiracy nonsense has been debunked so many times to the point where the originator of the story Peter Schweizer, a longtime associate of Steve Bannon, has been exposed as the person who started it all. He "devised a clever way to use the mainstream media against liberal politicians: Just gather a bunch of provocative but unrelated facts about a Democrat and pretend they point to a nefarious plot that's completely unsupported by those facts, then, instead of feeding them into the right-wing media fever swamp, feed them to respectable mainstream outlets that, in their desperate quest for balance, will investigate, promote, and legitimize the story, allowing it to spew all over the news ecosystem." https://theweek.com/speedreads/874015/samantha-bee-runs-down-man-who-created-bidenukraine-conspiracy-theory I know this doesn't feed into yours or Fox News's echo chamber but you've been conned and the evidence is very clearly there so as Sujo says bring it on but do it through the proper legal channels. Biden and son will be easily exonerated (although probably tarnished by association) and yet another Trump fed conspiracy theory will die a horrible but satisfying death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 the plain fact the dem impeachment hoax is dead on arrival, source rep. lindsay graham. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: the plain fact the dem impeachment hoax is dead on arrival, source rep. lindsay graham. wbr roobaa01 So congress should not do their legally bound duty because the senate wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideJocky Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said: OMG, this has been gone over SOOOOO many times. '...sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe'. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ The Biden conspiracy nonsense has been debunked so many times to the point where the originator of the story Peter Schweizer, a longtime associate of Steve Bannon, has been exposed as the person who started it all. He "devised a clever way to use the mainstream media against liberal politicians: Just gather a bunch of provocative but unrelated facts about a Democrat and pretend they point to a nefarious plot that's completely unsupported by those facts, then, instead of feeding them into the right-wing media fever swamp, feed them to respectable mainstream outlets that, in their desperate quest for balance, will investigate, promote, and legitimize the story, allowing it to spew all over the news ecosystem." https://theweek.com/speedreads/874015/samantha-bee-runs-down-man-who-created-bidenukraine-conspiracy-theory I know this doesn't feed into yours or Fox News's echo chamber but you've been conned and the evidence is very clearly there so as Sujo says bring it on but do it through the proper legal channels. Biden and son will be easily exonerated (although probably tarnished by association) and yet another Trump fed conspiracy theory will die a horrible but satisfying death. Do the investigation will clear Biden’s name and hunt rather than help Trump, yes? Yes, “Former Obama administration officials investigated...” former Obama officials and found no corruption. Well, that proves it, next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideJocky Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Sujo said: So congress should not do their legally bound duty because the senate wont. Why didn’t they “...do their legally bound duty..” three years ago when they were calling for it, or after the Mueller investigation proved Trump guilty of obstruction? Is this legally binding duty something new or were they just waiting to get closer unto the election? If they have been legally bound all along, and chose to NOT move ahead with impeachment for political reasons, should they not face charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, RideJocky said: Do the investigation will clear Biden’s name and hunt rather than help Trump, yes? Yes, “Former Obama administration officials investigated...” former Obama officials and found no corruption. Well, that proves it, next! Good idea. Let's have baseless investigations of everyone. Certainly that's exactly what the creators of the Constitution had in mind when they created a document that allowed government to investigate anyone no matter how inadequate the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said: OMG, this has been gone over SOOOOO many times. '...sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe'. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ The Biden conspiracy nonsense has been debunked so many times to the point where the originator of the story Peter Schweizer, a longtime associate of Steve Bannon, has been exposed as the person who started it all. He "devised a clever way to use the mainstream media against liberal politicians: Just gather a bunch of provocative but unrelated facts about a Democrat and pretend they point to a nefarious plot that's completely unsupported by those facts, then, instead of feeding them into the right-wing media fever swamp, feed them to respectable mainstream outlets that, in their desperate quest for balance, will investigate, promote, and legitimize the story, allowing it to spew all over the news ecosystem." https://theweek.com/speedreads/874015/samantha-bee-runs-down-man-who-created-bidenukraine-conspiracy-theory I know this doesn't feed into yours or Fox News's echo chamber but you've been conned and the evidence is very clearly there so as Sujo says bring it on but do it through the proper legal channels. Biden and son will be easily exonerated (although probably tarnished by association) and yet another Trump fed conspiracy theory will die a horrible but satisfying death. They (Trump's fans) have been shown evidence so many times that there are only two explanations: - one is against forum's rule - the other is that they are in propaganda mode and don't care whether their arguments are contradicted by facts or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, RideJocky said: Do the investigation will clear Biden’s name and hunt rather than help Trump, yes? Yes, “Former Obama administration officials investigated...” former Obama officials and found no corruption. Well, that proves it, next! What I find amazing is that you cannot see just how dumb Trump has been over the Biden conspiracy. EVERYONE (his advisers, Washington insiders, Congressmen, the media, Senators the lot) now know it was a cynical media hoax orchestrated by Peter Schweizer in an attempt to smear the Bidens and to help Trump but Trump is soooooo dumb that he actually believed it and is now facing impeachment because of it. However, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that a man who said of Alex Jones "Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down' would fall for such nonsense but you just keep banging that tired old drum and try and keep the Biden conspiracy alive as it must be getting REALLY hard now to defend this embarrassment of a POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, RideJocky said: Do the investigation will clear Biden’s name and hunt rather than help Trump, yes? Yes, “Former Obama administration officials investigated...” former Obama officials and found no corruption. Well, that proves it, next! Do any investigations you want. But not in trumps impeachment as its irrelevant, like most posts on here. Biden was cleared by ukraine. Nothing burger. But by all means go there again. During a separate investigation. This is about trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, roobaa01 said: the plain fact the dem impeachment hoax is dead on arrival, source rep. lindsay graham. wbr roobaa01 And here is the final defence. Its all true, he broke the law, he tried to bribe ukraine but was caught out. But its dead on arrival in the senate so it doesnt matter. But biden biden biden. So guilty. Evidence? Who needs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, roobaa01 said: the plain fact the dem impeachment hoax is dead on arrival, source rep. lindsay graham. wbr roobaa01 What a difference a single game of golf can make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 A little fact checking of trumps tweets lately. https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-trumps-flawed-051645067.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sujo said: A little fact checking of trumps tweets lately. https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-trumps-flawed-051645067.html It's not wonder Trump fans get so 'confused'. His incoherent ramblings, conspiracy theories and plain old lies are there for everyone to see. The man is unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said: OMG, this has been gone over SOOOOO many times. '...sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe'. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ The Biden conspiracy nonsense has been debunked so many times to the point where the originator of the story Peter Schweizer, a longtime associate of Steve Bannon, has been exposed as the person who started it all. He "devised a clever way to use the mainstream media against liberal politicians: Just gather a bunch of provocative but unrelated facts about a Democrat and pretend they point to a nefarious plot that's completely unsupported by those facts, then, instead of feeding them into the right-wing media fever swamp, feed them to respectable mainstream outlets that, in their desperate quest for balance, will investigate, promote, and legitimize the story, allowing it to spew all over the news ecosystem." https://theweek.com/speedreads/874015/samantha-bee-runs-down-man-who-created-bidenukraine-conspiracy-theory I know this doesn't feed into yours or Fox News's echo chamber but you've been conned and the evidence is very clearly there so as Sujo says bring it on but do it through the proper legal channels. Biden and son will be easily exonerated (although probably tarnished by association) and yet another Trump fed conspiracy theory will die a horrible but satisfying death. USA Today got the story from the Washington Post who got the story from Newsweek who got the story from the New York Times who got the story from the CIA. Yep, that story has been gone over a lot. The Week is an unapproved source so they don't count. I've posted links to information which refutes what you just posted but it gets ignored by the left who claim they don't dismiss facts. I share your frustrations, johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: USA Today got the story from the Washington Post who got the story from Newsweek who got the story from the New York Times who got the story from the CIA. Yep, that story has been gone over a lot. The Week is an unapproved source so they don't count. I've posted links to information which refutes what you just posted but it gets ignored by the left who claim they don't dismiss facts. I share your frustrations, johnny. How can you 'share my frustrations' when you are my frustration? Yuriy Lutsenko, who took over as Ukraine's general prosecutor after Shokin, told the BBC on Monday that there was no evidence that Biden, or his son, acted improperly. "I don't know any reason to investigate Joe Biden or Hunter Biden according to Ukrainian law," Lutsenko said. He also explained that any "possible embezzlement" at Burisma was alleged to have occurred "two or three years before Hunter Biden became a member of the board." (Is the BBC on your 'don't believe' list?) And here's one that you might actually listen to:- Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano explained that prosecutors in Ukraine and the United States dismissed unsubstantiated claims pushed by President Donald Trump and his supporters that former Vice President Joe Biden acted corruptly within the Eastern European country. "If you talk to [Trump's personal lawyer] Rudy Giuliani, he's got a lot of evidence of inappropriate behavior by the former vice president [Biden] and his son," Napolitano told the hosts of Fox News morning show Fox & Friends on Tuesday. "Yet the prosecutors in Ukraine and even prosecutors here in the United States say there's no there there," the former New Jersey Superior Court judge pointed out. https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-legal-expert-prosecutors-trump-biden-conspiracy-1462331 I've also gone to great lengths to show you how the story originally started (Peter Schweizer) which you conveniently ignore. I've also quoted Trumps own people who have sworn in congress that there was indeed a QPQ. Your willful ignorance is my frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 17 hours ago, RideJocky said: Why are you so afraid of Biden being investigated? Like Trump, if he’s done nothing wrong he has nothing to fear, right? 15 hours ago, RideJocky said: Do the investigation will clear Biden’s name and hunt rather than help Trump, yes? Yes, “Former Obama administration officials investigated...” former Obama officials and found no corruption. Well, that proves it, next! Put another way, why won't Trump appointee Attorney/Cover-up General Barr not investigating Biden? Why is Moscow Mitch McConnell not directing the Senate to investigate Biden? Could it be that they know the investigation would turn up nothing and be an embarrassing waste of time? A Biden investigation has nothing to do with the impeachment investigation. Stop deflecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 hours ago, heybruce said: Put another way, why won't Trump appointee Attorney/Cover-up General Barr not investigating Biden? Why is Moscow Mitch McConnell not directing the Senate to investigate Biden? Could it be that they know the investigation would turn up nothing and be an embarrassing waste of time? A Biden investigation has nothing to do with the impeachment investigation. Stop deflecting. Wait for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Wait for it. Still waiting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 16 hours ago, Tippaporn said: USA Today got the story from the Washington Post who got the story from Newsweek who got the story from the New York Times who got the story from the CIA. Yep, that story has been gone over a lot. The Week is an unapproved source so they don't count. I've posted links to information which refutes what you just posted but it gets ignored by the left who claim they don't dismiss facts. I share your frustrations, johnny. Which has nothing to do with the subject of the impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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