banagan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 So, in another thread, I was asking about shower drains used here. Turns out, most Thais don't use shower traps. They're not even available in the big box stores... I tried homepro, boonathovorm (or whatever its called), baan and beyond, and some local hardwares, nada, just a plain old drain. So, why don't they use them? Are they too expensive? Or they don't care about bad smells, bugs etc? Is there a market for them here? Or is it like trying to sell proper motorcycle helmets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 You were answered in the other thread and provided links to Homepro page listing a dozen or so. They are available at any decent home supply center - just be aware they look like a normal drain on shelf but cost about 4 times as much as have a top and bottom donut that provides a water seal so if building on the cheap they may not be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 does the Mrs pour her old PlaRa down the nearest available hole? what about http://shower traps on eBay ? anti-Odour/BackFlow etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, banagan said: They're not even available in the big box stores... I tried homepro, boonathovorm (or whatever its called), baan and beyond, and some local hardwares, It is virtually certain that there was a miscommunication. All the usual places (they are not big box stores, Macro is the only common big box store) Global House, DoHome, Thai Watsadu etc. All shower traps, as do many independent shops, though they may not have the design you like. The standard shop workers answer to any item that they don’t know they have or don’t understand is “no have” or “no have in Thailand” As an example I was in BigC and asked for their mineral water “no have” was the answer, until I went to the BigC app, to their shop, to the item and showed them that the website showed stock! Then the worker went into the stock room and brought out the 10 X 6 bottles for me. So you need to learn how to find what you want, sometimes despite the “assistance” sometimes with the assistance of the staff. off course YMMV because TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 You must understand that Thai shower / basin /bathwater is different to Western water, therefore they are not used as they unnecessary. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Artisi said: You must understand that Thai shower / basin /bathwater is different to Western water, therefore they are not used as they unnecessary. ???? we are sensitive to bad smell/odors/bugs it appears Thais are not bothered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Mavideol said: we are sensitive to bad smell/odors/bugs it appears Thais are not bothered Have you ever been in a van with foreigners and Thai here? The smells are not coming from the Thai in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banagan Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said: It is virtually certain that there was a miscommunication. All the usual places (they are not big box stores, Macro is the only common big box store) Global House, DoHome, Thai Watsadu etc. All shower traps, as do many independent shops, though they may not have the design you like. The standard shop workers answer to any item that they don’t know they have or don’t understand is “no have” or “no have in Thailand” As an example I was in BigC and asked for their mineral water “no have” was the answer, until I went to the BigC app, to their shop, to the item and showed them that the website showed stock! Then the worker went into the stock room and brought out the 10 X 6 bottles for me. So you need to learn how to find what you want, sometimes despite the “assistance” sometimes with the assistance of the staff. off course YMMV because TIT I sent them each pictures, so if they have them and use the no have excuse, they're they're extra dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: Have you ever been in a van with foreigners and Thai here? The smells are not coming from the Thai in my experience. by foreigners did you meant Indians, Chinese, Russians, Eastern Europe, backpackers..... could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, banagan said: I sent them each pictures, so if they have them and use the no have excuse, they're they're extra dumb. Pictures sent? Pictures of what? Sent to Who? In most cases firms here do not have an active internet response mindset so normally a visit to shop is going to be required. And picture if not of the type normally used here may also prove to be an issue. For drains the below is what a normal smell stopping drain looks like here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, banagan said: I sent them each pictures, so if they have them and use the no have excuse, they're they're extra dumb. If you are trying to get information by email, then good luck with that. While online shopping works answering questions about products by mail is in its infancy. So the real answer is that you don’t know if they do or don’t have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 My house has these ones. https://www.homepro.co.th/p/1075966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, banagan said: . I tried homepro, There is now, from Don Mega that HomePro does have them (but only 28 different ones), as in all probability so do everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Don Mega said: My house has these ones. https://www.homepro.co.th/p/1075966 That is only a top cover - if you do not have the corresponding water holding bottom part in place will not work to keep odors out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Don Mega said: My house has these ones. https://www.homepro.co.th/p/1075966 I have the same but still have bugs and smell coming out of it, the bugs mostly arrive when ready for a rain shower or heavy rain as well, can't get rid of the smell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: That is only a top cover - if you do not have the corresponding water holding bottom part in place will not work to keep odors out. Isnt that what the white plastic part is for ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, lopburi3 said: That is only a top cover - if you do not have the corresponding water holding bottom part in place will not work to keep odors out. mine are plastic and have the bottom part holding water but still have the bad odors, could it be because the water dries quite fast, if I pour some water on top it reduces the bad odors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mavideol said: we are sensitive to bad smell/odors/bugs it appears Thais are not bothered Not bothered, not in my circle of Thai friends, most can hear and smell a flea farting 100 metres away. They may not say anything, but rest assured they are fully aware of BO and drains smells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Isnt that what the white plastic part is for ? The white plastic fits into a donut shape tray of water in the base part so anything in/out has to go below the water line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: The white plastic fits into a donut shape tray of water in the base part so anything in/out has to go below the water line. Just checked mine and indeed you are correct, there is a receptacle in the drain it sits into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 They are available and used here. Have been for yonks. This is what they look like, top and inset. Any salesperson who says they don't have them probably doesn't know the inventory of their own hardware store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 They are called bell traps, many people dont realise how they work, the water seal is inside the floor drain, not a P or S trap under the floor. Often the bell has been removed or replaced with a non-bell cover and they dont work anymore. I actually caught a cleaning lady removing the bells, "because it gets blocked". You often need to put water back in them if away for a long period or hot weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Another important element of a shower drain is it is the type that has two inlets: one at floor level and another below the tiles. Grout, thinset, and mortar in a shower floor are not waterproof so a waterproof shower membrane is installed below them that collects water that gets below the tiles and directs it to the drain. If you don't do this, the shower will leak. On a normal one story Thai house that is a slab on grade this is not a big problem as this water simply dampens the slab and makes its way to the ground. But for a second floor or other scenarios you'll often hear complaints about leaks since these types of drains are so unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banagan Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 I've had to import a proper shower trap. New wet room being installed, may as well do it right. I know the supposed odor blocking cheap ones posted here, useless, had one in my last house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, banagan said: I've had to import a proper shower trap. New wet room being installed, may as well do it right. I know the supposed odor blocking cheap ones posted here, useless, had one in my last house. The bell water tray units do work and work well. Have been using for in my home here for 45 years. The cheapest item shown here was just a top which will not work unless mated with a bottom unit. Another model was the easily blocked one way valve type. But the bell drain does work as long as water is in it and an occasional cleaning of hair done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 2:30 PM, lopburi3 said: Have you ever been in a van with foreigners and Thai here? The smells are not coming from the Thai in my experience. Try a foreigners bathroom compared to a Thais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 4:33 PM, Peterw42 said: They are called bell traps, many people dont realise how they work, the water seal is inside the floor drain, not a P or S trap under the floor. Often the bell has been removed or replaced with a non-bell cover and they dont work anymore. I actually caught a cleaning lady removing the bells, "because it gets blocked". You often need to put water back in them if away for a long period or hot weather. A useless and crappy solution for sure...........the only good solution is ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 3:05 PM, Lacessit said: They are available and used here. Have been for yonks. This is what they look like, top and inset. Any salesperson who says they don't have them probably doesn't know the inventory of their own hardware store. Jeeeeeeeezus H Chrisssssssssst............ if thats yours you need a new maid or Wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banagan Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chazar said: A useless and crappy solution for sure...........the only good solution is ......... I'm going for a low profile option, like this, https://www.amazon.com/Wirquin-Profile-Waterless-Membrane-WIRQUIN/dp/B00KEUQVGS/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, banagan said: I'm going for a low profile option, like this, https://www.amazon.com/Wirquin-Profile-Waterless-Membrane-WIRQUIN/dp/B00KEUQVGS/ Nice find. That looks great for a plastic/composite shower tray style installation but won't work on a regular, hole in the floor type shower drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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