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I though this is important for us here in motorcycle forum. Also note that this tax will increase year by year if manufacturers do not reduce their CO2 emissions, so better buy your dream bike rather sooner than later.

 

I don't think its fair, what about all those cars/trucks sitting in traffic & air-condition running full blast using a lot of fuel!! I know from my own truck when we drive around in Pattaya, it's over 12 lit diesel per 100km and first manage good fuel economy when cruising on a trip to somewhere.

 

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/economy/thai-government-to-slap-co2-tax-on-big-bikes

 

The Thai Excise Department is poised to boost the tax on “big bikes” by 100,000 baht starting at the beginning of next year. The new tax will reflect motorcycle CO2 emissions.

The director of the department’s Bureau of Tax Planning, Nutthakorn Utensute, says the Cabinet will adjust the tax increase for high-powered motorcycles based on their CO2 emissions, rather than engine size, as originally proposed as a tax on higher-powered motorbikes.

 

The new tax rates can represent 3, 5, 9 or 18% of the purchase value, varying according to CO2 emissions.

The tax increases will apply to motorbikes manufactured or imported on and after January 1, 2020. Bikes with engines of 150 cc or less, probably 90% of all motorcycles in the country, will attract an additional tax around 1000 baht, representing an increase from 2.5 to 3% of the retail or import price.

But ‘big bikes’ with engines of 1,000cc or more will be taxed an extra 100,000 baht due to their higher fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.

Nutthakorn says… “The higher tax on big bikes will not affect most owners since they’re worth more than Bt1 million, which means the owners can afford it. The big bike has become more popular in Thailand, but still only represent 2-3% of the total number of motorcycles here.”

Nutthakorn said that if manufacturers do not reduce their CO2 emissions, the Excise Department will slap buyers with further increases of up to 700 million baht per annum.

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When put tax on big corporations?

How many tax pays Mr. CP?

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and a TukTuk is even bigger than a big bike; especially with it's second hand re-purposed car motor...

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8 hours ago, guzzi850m2 said:

Nutthakorn said that if manufacturers do not reduce their CO2 emissions, the Excise Department will slap buyers with further increases of up to 700 million baht per annum.

What another total no brainer CO2 emissions really what a studi'k di'k, get age restrictions and training costs into big bikes and proper instruction in a sensible way.  

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I suppose there is some silver lining in that it is not simply based on engine capacity as first proposed.

I wonder how they will determine the CO2 output of a new bike. Actually go to the factory and measure a representative sample of bikes or rely on each manufacturer to supply the data (remember VW)? I reckon the big bike manufacturers will tell them to get stuffed and the whole proposal will collapse.

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Tax the fuel!  Tax the farmers for every rai of crop residue burned. Tax the big factories and tighten the emissions requirements. 

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Let's get real people.

Water is the biggest greenhouse gas, maybe 60% +.

Since WW2, CO2 has risen from 300ppm to 400ppm.

COconstitutes only 0.5 % of the dry air.

Do the math, that is only a 0.005% change in the troposphere.

Photosynthesis:  CO2 + H2O ==light==> carbohydrate.

Earth has been in a warming trend for 15,000 years.

Does man-made COcontribute; yes, but very, very little.

Like peeing in a lake raises the water level.

 

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correction of math
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3 minutes ago, papa al said:

Let's get real people.

Water is the biggest greenhouse gas, maybe 60% +.

COconstitutes only 0.5 % of the dry air.

Since WW2, CO2 has risen from 300ppm to 400ppm.

Do the math, that is only a 0.01% change in the troposphere.

Photosynthesis:  CO2 + H2O ==light==> carbohydrate.

Earth has been in a warming trend for 15,000 years.

Does man-made COcontribute; yes, but very, very little.

Like peeing in a lake raises the water level.

 

If you have 11,000 stamps you could write and tell them they should get real:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-emergency-scientists-emissions-letter-climate-change-a9185786.html

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7 minutes ago, saengd said:

If you have 11,000 stamps you could write and tell them they should get real:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-emergency-scientists-emissions-letter-climate-change-a9185786.html

"them" are not interested in facts nor logic,

which contradict their dogma.

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3 minutes ago, papa al said:

"they" are not interested in facts nor logic,

which contradict their dogma.

11,000 scientists not interested in fact or logic, is that a world record or something, like getting 51 people into a VW camper van?

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I'm sorry, I'm being facetious, but you see how silly the argument is? If we said 11,000 shopkeepers weren't interested in logic or facts I could buy that, but scientists! It's like saying 11,000 doctors weren't interested in symptoms.

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Ad hominem arguments lack validity.

Once a scientist or MD buys into a theory,

he really cannot change else he looks dumb.

And the money:

My friend is a biologist who was seeking a grant to study squirrel habitat.

No luck.  Then he decided to re-title his study something like:

Squirrel Habitat and Climate Change.

Bingo.       Funding.

Same with doctors.  

Statin drugs are widely prescribed but do way more harm than good.

Scientists are just as susceptible to cognitive dissonance as others are.

Some people believe that an aluminium airplane

can fly into a steel skyscraper 1000x

more massive and bring it down.

Just because they say so on TV.

Go figure.

 

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