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7 hours ago, Chill27 said:

if I fail to then buy a ME permit from Immigration and leave the country, when I try to re enter my visa will be invalid?

Correct.....what you will be looking at buying though is a; Multi Re-entry Permit at immigration, Bht 3,8-900.

 

Thanks for your good wishes. Hopefully the dust will have settled.

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8 hours ago, ukrules said:

That's how most people find a legitimate job in Thailand.

 

They enter on a tourist visa, find a job, then leave the country and change visa type to one that allows work, of course this can only be done once you have found your job.....

This guy didn't look for a job and stayed on tourist visas and extensions for a quite long time during 1 year. That's not genuine tourism imo, and that's what Immigration also thought.

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10 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

That person would have to leave while the O-A is still valid and stay outside of Thailand until it expires since the valid O-A would have a ME with it.  This might be tricky if there are any issues with the 90 day O.

Why? He could have a permit to stay beyond the visa validity date. It is only important he cancel that permission (ie have no re-entry permit).

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5 hours ago, lkv said:

Permissions of stay

 

1. Visa exempt 30 days

2. Tourist visa (SETV or METV) 60 days

3. Non Immigrant O visa 90 days

4. Extension of stay 12 months

5. Non O-A 12 months.

 

So, if John wants to stay 9 months, the solution should be number 3+4 or number 5, not number 1 or number 2 repeatedly with visa runs.

 

That's what immigration defines as "the correct visa for the duration of your stay". When you don't have to do visa runs and you can stay continually for that intended stay.

 

In practice, John can also stay up to 9 months stretching a METV, and doing visa runs, but the more he does it, the more it becomes a lottery.

I guess trying to enter on any visa is a lottery if you tick all the boxes of suspicion for IOs.

And i'd assume general border bouncing from visa to visa without ever going home would be number 1.

 

As the other poster mentioned, extra variables add greater risk.

 

Going by the opinion of Thaivisa posters the list of things Thai IOs will victimise without prejudice is endless...

 

dressed rough, or dressed like an English teacher,

have tattos, tanned complexion, unshaven, half drunk or hungover,

a big nose, or smelling a bit on the nose, fly half way down...

 

It seems even being younger is even a

flag-fall, since they assume people can't afford to travel indefinately without having to work illegally.

 

Might be time to look at other options!

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, jackdd said:

It shows that he was denied entry with a METV (that's what he wrote on Facebook, the police report doesn't mention the type of tourist visa), after having spent about 5.5 months (less than 180 days) in 2019 in Thailand. This also means that he just proved money in a bank, and that he is employed or has a business in Canada, when he applied for the METV.

So somebody with a METV might be concerned that he may not be let into Thailand on his last entry, at which point he spent nearly 6 months in Thailand.

But what i noticed when looking at his Facebook picture: He is not white (but has a Canadian passport though), and we know how racist Thais can be, so this might have played a role.

Valid points for sure.

But the way i read it, (since there's no detail of what visas he had at what stages) he possibly had already entered and used up an METV,

 

then gone for a VE..

 

Then some time later he gets another METV from London, and was trying for the initial entry on that visa when he got done?

 

I have never before heard or read about anyone being denied ongoing entries on an previously used, activated but still valid METV..

just because the stay went over 6 months??

Is that a new thing for METVs?

 

Previously I would have doubted whether that would ever happen, but these days

who knows?

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10 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Today day 19 of implementation of the health-insurance requirement.

As far as I know this is the present situation for OA - retirement Visa health-insurance status for entry / re-entry / extension of stay:

  • First entry on pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > After initial - incorrect  - denials, since Nov 7 > no insurance requirement
  • Re-entry on still valid pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > 2 reports - queried about health insurance, but even while having no thai-approved HI certificate, both stamped in for full 12 months
  • Re-entry with re-entry permit > Several reports > no insurance requirement
  • Extension of stay for retirement based on original pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa > 1 highly credible first-hand report (CW) being approved without even mentioning health-insurance / 1 highly credible first-hand report (Nonthaburi) being denied for non-thai health insurance / several not first-hand reports (friends/know someone) of being denied for no health-insurance / several quoted statements by Immigration officers that Health-Insurance is required for extensions based on an original OA Visa.

The above based on TV Forum postings.

Please correct/update where inaccurate or incomplete.

Is it not necessary to speak about these new regulations and extensions with the senior officer from the immigration office,the IOs are sometimes so confused with this health insurance?

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18 minutes ago, vivananahuahin said:

Is it not necessary to speak about these new regulations and extensions with the senior officer from the immigration office,the IOs are sometimes so confused with this health insurance?

Even so, you have to enter the country first!

Its been reported that the problem with (some) airport IOs asking for insurance for existing Non O-As returning

has been resolved,

in as far as certain people who were given only 30 days and told to arrange insurance have now apparently been re-stamped for their entitled 12 months at Chaengwattana.

(without the need for insurance).

 

I think the airport was Don Muang.

 

But being Thailand i dont think you'd gamble on the problem being fixed at other airports/border crossings.

 

This being Thai immigration, I wouldnt even assume the problem is permanently fixed anywhere (even at Don Muang)

 

Regardless, If you are in that situation and only given 30days and told to arrange insurance, it seems theres a good chance of getting that overturned with a visit to  Chaengwattana.

 

But whether other IMMs offices in Thailand will act in the same way is another gamble, of course!

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3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Why? He could have a permit to stay beyond the visa validity date. It is only important he cancel that permission (ie have no re-entry permit).

You said a valid O-A which has its own ME (ie the the first year of the visa).  There is no way that I know of to cancel that ME.  It he is in his second year (ie exit and reenter) he has no reentry permit unless he buys one.  So if he leaves within the first year, how does he cancel that permission?

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2 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

So if he leaves within the first year, how does he cancel that permission?

He can't!

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1 minute ago, UncleMhee said:

He can't!

which is what I was getting at with my first reply.

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8 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

He could have a permit to stay beyond the visa validity date.

He could.... however if the visa validity is still active i.e. before the enter before date has passed; he can't.

Eg. If my visa expires 30 April 2020....I have been in and out with a permit to stay date of 15 August 2020. If I want to kill the O-A now in November 2019; I can't because my ME's won't be invalid till after 30 April 2020 and that's the soonest it can be done.

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50 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

You said a valid O-A which has its own ME (ie the the first year of the visa).  There is no way that I know of to cancel that ME.  It he is in his second year (ie exit and reenter) he has no reentry permit unless he buys one.  So if he leaves within the first year, how does he cancel that permission?

When leaving the country without a re-entry permit the current permission to stay is always void. The type and validity of the visa that was used to enter the country are irrelevant.

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5 minutes ago, nrasmussen said:

When leaving the country without a re-entry permit the current permission to stay is always void. The type and validity of the visa that was used to enter the country are irrelevant.

That's correct. 

However, when the original Visa validity date has not expired, you can re-enter and you will be provided with a new permission to stay.

What you cannot do in that situation, is applying for a new Visa, as that is only possible after your Visa validity date has expired.

Holders of a non-expired OA Visa, are therefore not able to switch to an O Visa and have to 'wait out' their time till the original OA Visa has expired.

Note: To make things even more complicated > When you do have an expired OA Visa, but you bought a multiple-entry Re-Entry Permit, you will have to 'wait out' the time till the end of your permission to stay.  Because on exiting Thailand the permission to stay will not be voided, but be kept alive by the Re-Entry Permit.

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To report:

 

Entered successfully with a multiple reentry permit at Don Mueang from Hanoi.

 

* O-A visa issued in Sydney 26 SEP 2018 and expired 24 Sep 2019

 

* Prior to expiration traveled back to Sydney and returned 18 Sep 2019, stamped for an year until Sep 2020.

 

* Got one year multiple reentry permit 15 Oct for 1 year, 3800 baht.

 

It wasn't 100% smooth process, the IO was unsure how to proceed and called his supervisor,  who allowed entry. Looks like some confusion is still there. The staff was polite and friendly.

 

 

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