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23 minutes ago, gearbox said:

To report:

 

Entered successfully with a multiple reentry permit at Don Mueang from Hanoi.

 

* O-A visa issued in Sydney 26 SEP 2018 and expired 24 Sep 2019

 

* Prior to expiration traveled back to Sydney and returned 18 Sep 2019, stamped for an year until Sep 2020.

 

* Got one year multiple reentry permit 15 Oct for 1 year, 3800 baht.

 

It wasn't 100% smooth process, the IO was unsure how to proceed and called his supervisor,  who allowed entry. Looks like some confusion is still there. The staff was polite and friendly.

 

 

If you got another year 18 September 2019, then you entered on a ME, not on a re-entry permit. A re-entry permit won't give you another year.

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2 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

You said a valid O-A which has its own ME (ie the the first year of the visa).  There is no way that I know of to cancel that ME.  It he is in his second year (ie exit and reenter) he has no reentry permit unless he buys one.  So if he leaves within the first year, how does he cancel that permission?

By returning after the Visa has expired... (or without insurance and re-entry permit!!!)

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21 hours ago, Chill27 said:

It's been said on here that re entering on a Non Imm O A with a re entry permit, you shouldn't need to show proof of Med Insurance.

But my Non Imm OA visa was issued in August as a multiple entry visa.

Are people saying that in order to avoid buying the insurance, I should ignore the "Multiple Entry" on the actual visa, and in addition also buy a re entry permit? I'm going back to the Uk in December for 5 weeks.

Or are references to the "re entry permit" the same as the multiple entry that was included when I obtained the Visa?

The more I read, the more confusing it gets!

Thanks, if someone could clarify for me.

You will probably mot be allowed to enter on a RE permit as your OA is still valid.

 

You may or may not be asked for insurance. Initially they were asking it of everyone. Then it seemed ti get clarified that it was only for OAs issued after Oct 31 and it stopped. Then we have gotten some reports hete and thete of people on old (pre Ocr 31) OAs being asked again.

 

If you end up in this situation try to get to talk to a senior officet.

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arrived at Bkk today with an O-A visa issued on October 16 in Sweden was stamped for 1 year, but the officer ask about insurance yes i have travel insurance i said but why do i need what i asked he did not answer but just looked at his computer for a long time and then stamped me in

 

//suki

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2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

You will probably mot be allowed to enter on a RE permit as your OA is still valid.

@Sheryl as I explained to @Chill27 in post #1267, it worked for me. Was told by IO RE permit trump's current valid visa with ME. 

Photos attached.

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24 minutes ago, UncleMhee said:

@Sheryl as I explained to @Chill27 in post #1267, it worked for me. Was told by IO RE permit trump's current valid visa with ME. 

Photos attached.

 

great to know, thanks.

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1 hour ago, UncleMhee said:

@Sheryl as I explained to @Chill27 in post #1267, it worked for me. Was told by IO RE permit trump's current valid visa with ME. 

Photos attached.

Is that the official view from Immigration? 

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4 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, of course he entered on his still valid OA Visa on Sept 18, and was therefore stamped in for the full year he was entitled to.  Once in Thailand he then bought a multiple-entry Re-entry permit to keep the granted permission to stay, alive till Sept 2020.  With that re-entry permit he left and returned to Thailand just now.

And he wanted to update Forum members that no health-insurance requirement was imposed, which is quite normal as he entered with the re-entry permit. So once again re-confirmation that entering on a re-entry permit will not be challenged.

For me the really interesting part of his report was that:

It wasn't 100% smooth process, the IO was unsure how to proceed and called his supervisor,  who allowed entry. Looks like some confusion is still there. The staff was polite and friendly.

And that does indeed not inspire confidence that IO has got its act together by now.

Indeed...I handed over my passport opened on the reentry permit page, the same page had my stamp until Sep 2020. The IO started going through my passport and flicked a few times between the original O-A visa and the reentry permit, before calling his supervisor. There was a bit of talk between them before he stamped me. I don't speak Thai and have no idea what they were discussing.

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1 hour ago, Max69xl said:

Is that the official view from Immigration? 

Immigration Act 1979

 

Section 39 : After having received permission for temporary entry into the Kingdom , if the alien leaves the Kingdom it is considered that his temporary entry permit has expired. But , if prior to leaving the alien is granted permission to return by the competent official , and the alien returning is not excluded from entry under Section 12.and the period of time previously authorized has not expired , the alien shall be authorized to stay in the Kingdom for the rest of the authorized time. 
In asking permission for re – entry , the alien must submit an application in accordance with the form and pay a fee in accordance with the rate and regulations as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

 

It's irrelevant if the visa is single or multiple, if on any given permission of stay, you apply for a re-entry permit, and they issue it, you are authorised to return and continue the same stay.

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2 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Is that the official view from Immigration? 

It's what was told to me, and allowed on one re-entry this past January, as attested to by the attachments #1267 and laid out in the immigration act in the previous post by @lkv so yes; I'd say that's more than a view, that's official.

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:51 AM, Max69xl said:

There are no reason at all for the rest of the embassies to stop issuing income letters. You don't seem to know that the affidavits from the UK,US and Australian embassies didn't show stamped and signed documented pension. That's what the income letter from other countries embassies do,and that's what Immigration wants. 

Please, I know so many Europeans that alter the letter when they get it, it is crazy. One German guy I lived by told me it is a joke. They keep it pretty tight lipped but after I got into the click it is common knowledge.

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On 11/16/2019 at 2:51 PM, Forresttrump said:

Hi all, new member but not new to your forum.  I find your members experiences a great help when preparing for my frequent visits to Thailand.  I have the O-A visa issued December 2018 and returned here on Thursday.  Now the one thing I’ve learnt is never to question an IO’s knowledge of his job and have more documentation than you need!  Ok that’s two things.  First question from the IO you have your insurance certificate please, yes here it is, quick scan and stamp for one year extension and sent on my way.  For your information I only had multi-trip travel insurance for one year.  It worked for me your experience maybe different.

Attached below scans of a fully documented first-hand-case of re-entry on an original not expired OA Visa.

Some TV Forum members (including myself), are/were very worried whether they will be denied the 1 year permission to stay when they re-enter Thailand and some even postponed or cancelled trips outside Thailand for that reason.

But the report indicates that re-entering on a pre Oct 31 issued and still valid OA Visa is safe.  Also there are NO reports of people being refused when re-entering on an already expired OA Visa with a valid re-entry permit.

CONCLUSION > Entry or re-entry in Thailand with a pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa does NOT require health-insurance.

 

Note: The travel-insurance shown to the IO when he did query about health-insurance is NOT a thai-approved health-insurance, but a UK travel-insurance policy.  Was probably just a routine-question asked by the IO on which the answer didn't matter anyway, because after a quick look on it the IO proceeded with stamping the OA Visa holder in for the full-year.

 

On 11/17/2019 at 5:47 PM, Forresttrump said:

6DACEF02-00DE-4575-9C37-164A839CD367.thumb.jpeg.aca1d1f176320fd5c8a0412834feb935.jpeg6877BE4A-4225-4B4E-912A-1D7BFBC4B6C1.thumb.jpeg.2d6d2031c644a18509083ded3455c80d.jpeg...I arrived 6pm at swampy, my original O-A is due to expire on 5th December 2019. I am only here for 15 days this time and have a multi-trip travel insurance policy issued in the UK by holiday extras.  The IO looked at the visa and the dates seem to mean nothing to him, he just ask for my insurance.  The interesting thing was he never looked at the cover just who issued it?  My policy does not have an official company heading, it’s just a policy issued by a reputable travel company underwritten by one.  It just has a policy number.

 

The IO just scanned it and stamped me in for one year.  The next day I went to Chaeng Wattana to do my tm30, and I think it’s a tm8 multi-entry stamp ฿3800.  Had no problems with either.  Hope this helps.

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Note: documented report is from 2 days ago, but I only post now as I waited for permission of @Forresttrump

to share it.  Many thanks for that!

 

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18 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

CONCLUSION > Entry or re-entry in Thailand with a pre Oct 31 issued OA Visa does NOT require health-insurance.

 

Note: The travel-insurance shown to the IO when he did query about health-insurance is NOT a thai-approved health-insurance, but a UK travel-insurance policy.  Was probably just a routine-question asked by the IO on which the answer didn't matter anyway, because after a quick look on it the IO proceeded with stamping the OA Visa holder in for the full-year.

 

I'm not sure I would automatically draw the same conclusion as you post above in bold.

 

In the example you've reposted, a pre-Oct. 31 O-A visa holder WAS asked upon entry for proof of health insurance (and ended up showing a non-O-A insurance document).

 

If Immigration weren't actually enforcing the insurance rule against pre-Oct. 31 O-As, then why would the IO have asked for proof of insurance?

 

The traveler's experience would have been more on point to your conclusion if the traveler, when asked for proof of insurance, was unable to produce any insurance paperwork. In that event, it would have been very interesting to have seen what the IO would have done on his entry.

 

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