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I seriously question the sanity, or how long they have dealt with Thailand's bureaucracy, of anyone who thinks that letters to their embassy is going to bring the slightest bit of pressure to bear on IOs or the rules of immigration themselves. 

 

Look at where we are, a military junta run country, which just barred its only opposition, and is sucking up to Hun Sen, China, Myanmaar, and all the other human rights abusers.. A country where slavery is an open secret, where non Thais are tortured, abused, trafficked and whored out, and your talking about discriminatory rules for not grandfathering some wealthy westerners out of a rule ??  

 

Because 'our Human Rights'.. lol.

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6 hours ago, Max69xl said:

"home country currency debits"??  Did you come up with that name yourself? 

Well, if you care to take a look at this particular letter, you will see, in the second column, several rows of entries, each denoted "USD". And, against each such entry in the third column is the figure 4,990.00 - which, using my Sherlock Holmes powers of deduction in the absence of a sadly-lacking knowledge of the Thai language, I have inferred as meaning the amount which was, in each case, initially sent on its merry way from an account in the USA to Thailand for conversion into THB and subsequent crediting to a Thai account.

 

In my humble opinion, the term "home country currency debits" perfectly and accurately describes the entries in columns 2 & 3 of this hallowed letter when read in conjunction with each other. However, if you feel that you have a better way of describing these entries, Mr Clever Clogs, then I look forward with baited breath to learning what your alternative terminology might be.

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32 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

I seriously question the sanity, or how long they have dealt with Thailand's bureaucracy, of anyone who thinks that letters to their embassy is going to bring the slightest bit of pressure to bear on IOs or the rules of immigration themselves. 

 

Look at where we are, a military junta run country, which just barred its only opposition, and is sucking up to Hun Sen, China, Myanmaar, and all the other human rights abusers.. A country where slavery is an open secret, where non Thais are tortured, abused, trafficked and whored out, and your talking about discriminatory rules for not grandfathering some wealthy westerners out of a rule ??  

 

Because 'our Human Rights'.. lol.

So did the 2013 directive I referred to in post #1369 just magically appear out of thin air, then?

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9 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

And in the last few decades, can anyone think of a single time that any diplomatic pressure has changed anything in Thai visa law ?? 

There's never been any diplomatic pressure when it comes to immigration laws. 

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37 minutes ago, OJAS said:

So did the 2013 directive I referred to in post #1369 just magically appear out of thin air, then?

You didn't post #1369.

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7 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

I seriously question the sanity, or how long they have dealt with Thailand's bureaucracy, of anyone who thinks that letters to their embassy is going to bring the slightest bit of pressure to bear on IOs or the rules of immigration themselves. 

 

Look at where we are, a military junta run country, which just barred its only opposition, and is sucking up to Hun Sen, China, Myanmaar, and all the other human rights abusers.. A country where slavery is an open secret, where non Thais are tortured, abused, trafficked and whored out, and your talking about discriminatory rules for not grandfathering some wealthy westerners out of a rule ??  

 

Because 'our Human Rights'.. lol.

Exactly. The letter I got from the US Embassy said they would ask about accepting US Insurance rather than the mandatory Thai policies, which doesn't help me at all and didn't answer my question to them. They said nothing about asking to change the effective date and grandfathering existing expats.
I've read nothing about any foreign govt trying to influence the rules because some unknown expat might be forced to relocate out of thailand.

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3 hours ago, el jefe said:

Exactly. The letter I got from the US Embassy said they would ask about accepting US Insurance rather than the mandatory Thai policies, which doesn't help me at all and didn't answer my question to them. They said nothing about asking to change the effective date and grandfathering existing expats.
I've read nothing about any foreign govt trying to influence the rules because some unknown expat might be forced to relocate out of thailand

Then you write another letter- explaing that  having a law changed and applied to people already in Thailand is unfair; unjust and most likely illegal and asking for some reciprocity- meaning the US or other countries do not make it imposible to abide by the law. For example- an 80 year old expat who came 14 years ago and now cannot get the required insurance.

 

Do not give up/  If you have an O-A, it is still possible to  change to an O Visa or if married go the marriage extension route.

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7 hours ago, Max69xl said:

There's never been any diplomatic pressure when it comes to immigration laws. 

I therefore look forward to hearing from you and @LivinL0S as to how the 2013 Directive relating to the maximum Embassy income confirmation validity period can be explained away, then. Below is the 2013 thread on this particular issue which I have now succeeded in unearthing:-

 

 

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2 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Then you write another letter- explaing that  having a law changed and applied to people already in Thailand is unfair; unjust and most likely illegal and asking for some reciprocity- meaning the US or other countries do not make it imposible to abide by the law. For example- an 80 year old expat who came 14 years ago and now cannot get the required insurance.

 

Do not give up/  If you have an O-A, it is still possible to  change to an O Visa or if married go the marriage extension route.

I'm not giving up. I'm not even worried any more. My O-A is good until Sept 2021. I have no idea what the visa rules might be then so there is no point in my even thinking about getting an O and what might be then. As we've determined most of us are eligible for more than one visa.

I can play by anyone's rules as long as they don't change the rules in the middle of the game. So far they haven't. 2021 will be a new game.

but I also have no intention of writing another letter to the US Embassy. there are more important things I can waste my time on.
 

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7 minutes ago, el jefe said:

I'm not giving up. I'm not even worried any more. My O-A is good until Sept 2021. I have no idea what the visa rules might be then so there is no point in my even thinking about getting an O and what might be then. As we've determined most of us are eligible for more than one visa.

I can play by anyone's rules as long as they don't change the rules in the middle of the game. So far they haven't. 2021 will be a new game.

but I also have no intention of writing another letter to the US Embassy. there are more important things I can waste my time on.
 

How about writing it in one of the newspapers about the injustice of the police order and immigration making it retroactive.  Also, the effect it has on those who can not get insurance

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On 11/21/2019 at 8:17 AM, Peterw42 said:

Is the OA insurance having a big impact ?

Judging by the amount of posts/threads, it would appear that its not having a broad impact.

 

Past issues like income letters, changes to seasoning, tm30, have all seen 1,000s of posts, a new thread every hour etc. I can only presume the changes dont effect many people, It would appear most people started with a Non-O and its business as usual.

Well said that man.

 

There has been nary a tremor on thaivisa.com so the numbers effected must be negligible, every woke individual either reads thaivisa or posts here. Anyway those pesky O-A visa holders had it coming, they were gaming the system. No money held hostage in a Thai bank for them.

 

The O route was obviously the way to go for retirement and the majority of thaivisa posters obviously went down that route. Far more sensible. O, we are alright Jack, no mandatory health insurance for us.

 

Yes, those on extensions of stay based on an original O-A entry are also caught up in this and need 800,000 baht in the bank plus mandatory health insurance from a Thai provider, even if they have far superior coverage from an insurance company not on the approved list.

 

But, hey, this is an even smaller demographic including a handful or so of over 70s with no hope of getting health coverage who face a very uncertain future. Surely it is not up to O visa holders and other retirees to worry about/encourage/assist these people who seemed to have not planned properly for their retirement.

 

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