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On 11/8/2019 at 12:09 PM, pegman said:

The Go-Fund-Me  campaign for the team brought in $15m in a short period of time.  His operation and rehab in Bangkok will cost $125,000. Not sure if the fund or government Medicare will cover the cost. 

 

So you're saying he doesn't have insurance?! ????  I'd be careful mentioning that on Thai Visa. A sure fire recipe for stirring up a fistful of angry pensioners . Hopefully the Canadian Government will be on the stick if funds run out. 

 

Not that I don't trust GO-FUND-ME campaigns ... but I don't

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3 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

 

So you're saying he doesn't have insurance?! ????  I'd be careful mentioning that on Thai Visa. A sure fire recipe for stirring up a fistful of angry pensioners . Hopefully the Canadian Government will be on the stick if funds run out. 

 

Not that I don't trust GO-FUND-ME campaigns ... but I don't

There was an advisory panel that determined the split, that was then approved by the courts. Looks to be gold standard way to deal with it.

 

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/judge-approves-payout-plan-for-gofundme-money-following-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash

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23 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

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Luigi Galvani

 

Just old Italian tech that Thais have just now learned about. ????

 

Let's do be sure to maintain our sense of superiority by seizing all opportunities to belittle any Thai achievement as much as we possibly can. 

 

I was showing when SCS was first used.

 

Galvani demonstrated that Electricity can make muscles move, which is different from SCS. Not the same as what is being shown in this thread.

 

Perhaps you are attempting to show some type of superiority by misinterpreting my comment. 

 

Summary: A somewhat strident post from you, yet again.

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11 hours ago, Skallywag said:

I am confused, 2 different guys in 2 different videos. 

Both are having other people move their legs is how I see it.

Never saw either of them move their legs on their own? 

Wish them well, and hopefully this electrical impulse thing will help them in the future 

 

looks like the procedure offers hope and a starting point but clearly not a panacea. spinal injuries has been and remains to be a very tough challenge. neurosurgery sounds glamorous and prestigious but not that many procedures provide an excellent solution to a problem.   anyone interested can look at

 

Epidural stimulation of the spinal cord in spinal cord injury: current status and future challenges

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3361963/

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1 hour ago, faraday said:

I was showing when SCS was first used.

 

Galvani demonstrated that Electricity can make muscles move, which is different from SCS. Not the same as what is being shown in this thread.

 

Perhaps you are attempting to show some type of superiority by misinterpreting my comment. 

 

Summary: A somewhat strident post from you, yet again.

As a footnote to your post, he, Galvani, was the man after whom 'galvanizing' " was named. The farad, a unit of capacitance, was also named after Michael Faraday. 

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3 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

As a footnote to your post, he, Galvani, was the man after whom 'galvanizing' " was named. The farad, a unit of capacitance, was also named after Michael Faraday. 

Yes, I know, I used to work in a Faraday cage. Hence my tvf name.

 

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On 11/8/2019 at 9:11 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

Unfortunately it is  not so simplistic. Without  the  electro impulses muscles atrophy with the exception of those  that are  involuntarily  stimulated.  Or  artificially  stimulated via  regular  artificial  stimulation.

Any  interface that can be introduced that  gives an individual  any degree of  self induced  muscular  stimulation is an amazing  advancement  even if it falls short  of   full control.

The  majority  who are probably unaware  of the issues is that it is  not  just  muscular  atrophy but  skeletal (bone/ joints) are as  much an issue.

I was involved  in the  whole  gambit of the issues  of   both   congenital  and accidental spinal trauma for  22 years . On  both sides  there  are issues that  the  vast  majority  have  no  real  perceptions of.

But  for those who are and remain cognitive  victims of  then  any who  can be provided  any  degree of real improvement  of self  function I would  applaud that provision.

That this is  being  heralded in Thailand  should never never be  viewed in some derogative manner.

That  the  surgeons  may have been  trained  and educated  in the  gutless  west that  declines innovation for  fear of   legal suits  for  failure in the same  way  treatments  for  terminal cancers are  with held  for  fear of  "side  effects"  gives me  cause  to  congratulate  the Thai initiatives.

This  sort of   issue always  brings  me back to the  question: " who  qualified the  first specialist  surgeon?'.

 

lots of innovation in medicine and surgery comes from the gutless west and from some asian countries(notably japan, kotea) including from developing countries where it is primarily due to the curiosity and creativity of those involved. not thai bashing simply saying culturally intellectual curiosity, creativity and innovation are simply not components of society. yes there are some very technically competent practitioners.

 

 

as per " who  qualified the  first specialist  surgeon?'. would that not go back to the historical anatomists, alexandria BC, egypt, greece, davinci, england barbers, etc etc ??

 

Timeline of surgery and surgical procedures[edit]

—B.C.E.--

  • c. 5000 BCE. First known practice of Trepanation in Ensisheim in France.
  • c. 3300 B.C.E. Trepanation, broken bones, wounds in Indus Valley Civilization.
  • c. 2613–2494 BCE. A jaw found in an Egyptian Fourth Dynasty tomb shows the marks of an operation to drain a pus-filled abscess under the first molar.[26]
  • 1754 BCE The Code of Hammurabi.
  • 1600 BCE The Edwin Smith Papyrus from Egypt described 48 cases of injuries, fractures, wounds, dislocations, and tumors, with treatment and prognosis including closing wounds with sutures, using honey and moldy bread as antiseptics, stopping bleeding with raw meat, and immobilization for head and spinal cord injuries, reserving magic as a last resort; it contained detailed anatomical observations but showed no understanding of organ functions, along with the earliest known reference to breast cancer.
  • 1550 BCE The Ebers Papyrus from Egypt listed over 800 drugs and prescriptions.
  • 1250 BCE Asklepios and his sons Podaleirius and Machaon were reported by Homer as battlefield surgeons.[26] He also reported arrowheads cut out; styptics; administration of sedatives and bandaging of wounds with wool.[26]
  • 600 BCE Sushruta of India.
  • 5th century BCE Medical schools at Cnidos and Cos.
  • 400 BCE About this year Hippocrates of Cos (460 BCE to 370 BCE) became "the Founder of Western Medicine", insisting on the use of scientific methods in medicine, proposing that diseases have natural causes along with the Four temperaments theory of disease, and leaving the Hippocratic Oath. He "taught that wounds should be washed in water that had been boiled or filtered, and that a doctor's hands should be kept clean, his nails clipped short."[26] He became the first to distinguish benign from malignant breast tumors, advocating withholding treatment for "hidden" cancers, claiming that surgical intervention causes "a speedy death, but to omit treatment is to prolong life."

---C.E.--

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On November 9, 2019 at 11:36 AM, Skallywag said:

I am confused, 2 different guys in 2 different videos. 

Both are having other people move their legs is how I see it.

Never saw either of them move their legs on their own? 

Wish them well, and hopefully this electrical impulse thing will help them in the future 

Here you go. A leg moving on its own. Min 21:00.

 

 

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On 11/8/2019 at 10:19 AM, Thaiwrath said:

A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries.

I hope he is on the path to success but its a big difference between random stimulation and control of a limb however science is advancing and hopefully the future will be bright for this young man.

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