LomSak27 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 12:09 PM, pegman said: The Go-Fund-Me campaign for the team brought in $15m in a short period of time. His operation and rehab in Bangkok will cost $125,000. Not sure if the fund or government Medicare will cover the cost. So you're saying he doesn't have insurance?! ???? I'd be careful mentioning that on Thai Visa. A sure fire recipe for stirring up a fistful of angry pensioners . Hopefully the Canadian Government will be on the stick if funds run out. Not that I don't trust GO-FUND-ME campaigns ... but I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Always a guy who feels the need to moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, LomSak27 said: So you're saying he doesn't have insurance?! ???? I'd be careful mentioning that on Thai Visa. A sure fire recipe for stirring up a fistful of angry pensioners . Hopefully the Canadian Government will be on the stick if funds run out. Not that I don't trust GO-FUND-ME campaigns ... but I don't There was an advisory panel that determined the split, that was then approved by the courts. Looks to be gold standard way to deal with it. https://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/judge-approves-payout-plan-for-gofundme-money-following-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Don't you have a shop in Chiang Mai to shout at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 https://www.neuromodulation.com/spinal-cord-stimulation 1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, faraday said: https://www.neuromodulation.com/spinal-cord-stimulation 1967 1780 Luigi Galvani Just old Italian tech that Thais have just now learned about. ???? Let's do be sure to maintain our sense of superiority by seizing all opportunities to belittle any Thai achievement as much as we possibly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, BigStar said: 1780 Luigi Galvani Just old Italian tech that Thais have just now learned about. ???? Let's do be sure to maintain our sense of superiority by seizing all opportunities to belittle any Thai achievement as much as we possibly can. I was showing when SCS was first used. Galvani demonstrated that Electricity can make muscles move, which is different from SCS. Not the same as what is being shown in this thread. Perhaps you are attempting to show some type of superiority by misinterpreting my comment. Summary: A somewhat strident post from you, yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Skallywag said: I am confused, 2 different guys in 2 different videos. Both are having other people move their legs is how I see it. Never saw either of them move their legs on their own? Wish them well, and hopefully this electrical impulse thing will help them in the future looks like the procedure offers hope and a starting point but clearly not a panacea. spinal injuries has been and remains to be a very tough challenge. neurosurgery sounds glamorous and prestigious but not that many procedures provide an excellent solution to a problem. anyone interested can look at Epidural stimulation of the spinal cord in spinal cord injury: current status and future challenges https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3361963/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, faraday said: I was showing when SCS was first used. Galvani demonstrated that Electricity can make muscles move, which is different from SCS. Not the same as what is being shown in this thread. Perhaps you are attempting to show some type of superiority by misinterpreting my comment. Summary: A somewhat strident post from you, yet again. As a footnote to your post, he, Galvani, was the man after whom 'galvanizing' " was named. The farad, a unit of capacitance, was also named after Michael Faraday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, ratcatcher said: As a footnote to your post, he, Galvani, was the man after whom 'galvanizing' " was named. The farad, a unit of capacitance, was also named after Michael Faraday. Yes, I know, I used to work in a Faraday cage. Hence my tvf name. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 9:11 PM, Dumbastheycome said: Unfortunately it is not so simplistic. Without the electro impulses muscles atrophy with the exception of those that are involuntarily stimulated. Or artificially stimulated via regular artificial stimulation. Any interface that can be introduced that gives an individual any degree of self induced muscular stimulation is an amazing advancement even if it falls short of full control. The majority who are probably unaware of the issues is that it is not just muscular atrophy but skeletal (bone/ joints) are as much an issue. I was involved in the whole gambit of the issues of both congenital and accidental spinal trauma for 22 years . On both sides there are issues that the vast majority have no real perceptions of. But for those who are and remain cognitive victims of then any who can be provided any degree of real improvement of self function I would applaud that provision. That this is being heralded in Thailand should never never be viewed in some derogative manner. That the surgeons may have been trained and educated in the gutless west that declines innovation for fear of legal suits for failure in the same way treatments for terminal cancers are with held for fear of "side effects" gives me cause to congratulate the Thai initiatives. This sort of issue always brings me back to the question: " who qualified the first specialist surgeon?'. lots of innovation in medicine and surgery comes from the gutless west and from some asian countries(notably japan, kotea) including from developing countries where it is primarily due to the curiosity and creativity of those involved. not thai bashing simply saying culturally intellectual curiosity, creativity and innovation are simply not components of society. yes there are some very technically competent practitioners. as per " who qualified the first specialist surgeon?'. would that not go back to the historical anatomists, alexandria BC, egypt, greece, davinci, england barbers, etc etc ?? Timeline of surgery and surgical procedures[edit] —B.C.E.-- c. 5000 BCE. First known practice of Trepanation in Ensisheim in France. c. 3300 B.C.E. Trepanation, broken bones, wounds in Indus Valley Civilization. c. 2613–2494 BCE. A jaw found in an Egyptian Fourth Dynasty tomb shows the marks of an operation to drain a pus-filled abscess under the first molar.[26] 1754 BCE The Code of Hammurabi. 1600 BCE The Edwin Smith Papyrus from Egypt described 48 cases of injuries, fractures, wounds, dislocations, and tumors, with treatment and prognosis including closing wounds with sutures, using honey and moldy bread as antiseptics, stopping bleeding with raw meat, and immobilization for head and spinal cord injuries, reserving magic as a last resort; it contained detailed anatomical observations but showed no understanding of organ functions, along with the earliest known reference to breast cancer. 1550 BCE The Ebers Papyrus from Egypt listed over 800 drugs and prescriptions. 1250 BCE Asklepios and his sons Podaleirius and Machaon were reported by Homer as battlefield surgeons.[26] He also reported arrowheads cut out; styptics; administration of sedatives and bandaging of wounds with wool.[26] 600 BCE Sushruta of India. 5th century BCE Medical schools at Cnidos and Cos. 400 BCE About this year Hippocrates of Cos (460 BCE to 370 BCE) became "the Founder of Western Medicine", insisting on the use of scientific methods in medicine, proposing that diseases have natural causes along with the Four temperaments theory of disease, and leaving the Hippocratic Oath. He "taught that wounds should be washed in water that had been boiled or filtered, and that a doctor's hands should be kept clean, his nails clipped short."[26] He became the first to distinguish benign from malignant breast tumors, advocating withholding treatment for "hidden" cancers, claiming that surgical intervention causes "a speedy death, but to omit treatment is to prolong life." ---C.E.-- 50. About this time Roman physician-surgeon Aulus Cornelius Celsus died, leaving De Medicina, which described the "dilated tortuous veins" surrounding a breast cancer, causing Galen to later give cancer (Latin for crab) its name. He advised against radical mastectomy involving the pectoral muscles, and warned that surgery should only be attempted in the benign stage (first of four). 1st/2nd century CE. Soranus of Ephesus wrote a 4-volume treatise on gynaecology. 200. About this year Galen died after pioneering the use of catgut for suturing while clinging to Hippocrates Four Temperaments theory, viewing pus as beneficial, and viewing cancer as a result of melancholia caused by an excess of black bile, proven by its frequent occurrence in postmenopausal females, recommending surgical excision of a cancerous breast through healthy tissue to make sure that not "a single root" is left behind, while discouraging ligatures and cautery to allow drainage of black bile. 200. About this year Leonidas of Alexandria began advocating the excision of breast cancer via a wide cut through normal tissues like Galen, but recommended alternate incision and cautery, which became the standard for the next 15 centuries. He provided the first detailed description of a mastectomy, which included the first description of nipple retraction as a clinical sign of breast cancer. 208. Hua Tuo began using wine and cannabis as an anesthetic during surgery. 476. The Fall of Rome ended the advance of scientific medical-surgical knowledge in Europe. 1162. The Council of Tours banned the "barbarous practice" of surgery for breast cancers. 1180. Rogerius published The Practice of Surgery. 1214. Hugh of Lucca discovered that wine disinfects wounds. 1250. Theodoric Borgognoni, student of Hugh of Lucca broke with Galen and fought pus with dry wound technique (wound cleansing and sutures). 1275. William of Salicet broke with Galen's love of pus and promoted a surgical knife over cauterization. 1308. The Worshipful Company of Barbers in London was first mentioned. 1350. About this time the Black Death devastated Europe. 1453. The Fall of Constantinople caused many scholars to flee to Europe bringing medical-surgical manuscripts with them. 1536. Ambroise Pare discovered that cold poultices are better than hot oil. 1543. Andreas Vesalius published The Fabric of the Human Body. 1721. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu brought the Ottoman practice of inoculation to England using live smallpox virus. 1735. Claudius Amyand performed the first successful appendectomy. 1773. Bernard Peyrilhe treated breast cancer by radical mastectomy which included both the pectoral muscle and axillary lymph nodes.[57] 1775. Percivall Pott discovered that soot caused scrotal cancer in chimneysweeps. 1776. John Hunter pioneered artificial insemination. 1796. Edward Jenner pioneered smallpox inoculation with cowpox virus. 1800. The Royal College of Surgeons of England was founded. 1805. Astley Cooper pioneered ligation of arteries. 1842. Crawford Williamson Long pioneered ether for anesthesia. 1844. Horace Wells pioneered nitrous oxide for anesthesia. 1848. James Young Simpson pioneered chloroform for anesthesia. 1851. Antonius Mathijsen invented the Plaster of paris cast. 1852. J. Marion Sims successfully repaired a vesicovaginal fistula. 1854. John Snow disproved the miasma theory of contagion. 1879. After becoming the first to diagnose the location based on neurological findings alone, Scottish surgeon William Macewen (1848–1924) performed the first successful non-primary (trephined) brain tumor removal, pioneering brain surgery. 1880. German surgeon Ludwig Rehn performed the first thyroidectomy. 1882. William Stewart Halsted of Johns Hopkins Hospital performed the first complete radical mastectomy in the U.S., which became the standard treatment. 1883. Lawson Tait performed the first successful salpingectomy. 1884. After English physician Alexander Hughes Bennett (1848–1901) diagnosed the location based on neurological findings alone, English surgeon Rickman Godlee (1849–1925) completed the first primary (exposed) brain tumor removal. 1884. Austrian ophthalmologist Karl Koller first used cocaine as a local anesthetic for eye surgery. 1890. German surgeon Themistocles Glück pioneered arthroplasty with a knee replacement and hip replacement using ivory. 1891. St. Louis, Missouri surgeon Henry C. Dalton performed the first successful pericardial sac repair operation. 1893. African-American surgeon Daniel Hale Williams of Chicago performed the second successful pericardial sac repair operation. 1895. Wilhelm Roentgen discovered X-rays. 1895. The first successful cardiac surgery was performed by Norwegian surgeon Axel Cappelen. The patient later died of complications, though the autopsy found it was for other reasons, as the wound had been satisfactorily closed. 1896. The first successful cardiac surgery without any complications was performed by German surgeon Ludwig Rehn. 1900. About this time the Cargile membrane was introduced into surgery. 1900. About this time Harvey Cushing began pioneering brain surgery. 1901. German surgeon Georg Kelling performed the first Laparoscopic surgery on dogs. 1901. Austrian physician Karl Landsteiner discovered the basic A-B-AB-O blood types. 1903. Dutch physician Willem Einthoven invented the Electrocardiograph. 1905. Novocaine was first used as a local anesthetic. 1907. Austrian surgeon Hermann Schloffer became the first to successfully remove a pituitary tumor. 1910. Swiss physician Hans Christian Jacobaeus performed the first Laparoscopic surgery on humans. 1914. Blood transfusion was pioneered. 1916. Austrian surgeon Hermann Schloffer performed the first splenectomy operation. 1917. Kiwi surgeon Harold Gillies pioneered modern plastic surgery for wounded British World War I soldiers. 1925. The first open heart surgery by English surgeon Henry Souttar. 1929. Werner Forssmann performed the first cardiac catheterization, on himself. 1931. The first sex reassignment surgery. 1940. The first successful metallic hip replacement surgery. 1948. The first successful open heart surgery operations since 1925. 1952. The first successful open heart surgery using hypothermia. 1953. The first carotid endarterectomy. 1954. The first kidney transplant. 1955. The first artificial cardiac pacemaker. 1955. The first separation operation for conjoined twins. 1961. The cochlear implant was invented by William F. House. 1961. American surgeon Thomas J. Fogarty invented the Fogarty embolectomy catheter. 1962. The first hip replacement surgery via Low Frictional Torque Arthroplasty (LFA) by Sir John Charnley. 1963. The first liver transplant was performed by Thomas Starzl et al. 1964. The laser scalpel was invented. 1967: The first successful heart transplant by Christiaan Barnard. 1967. The first successful coronary artery bypass surgery. 1972. The CT scan was perfected. 1974. The first Tommy John surgery. 1974. The first blunt tunneling (cannula-assisted) Liposuction. 1982. The Jarvik-7 artificial heart was successfully installed. 1983. Robot-assisted surgery began with Arthrobot in Vancouver. 1985. The first laparoscopic cholecystectomy. 1985. Positron emission tomography was invented. 1987. The first successful heart-lung transplant. 1998. The first Stem Cell Therapy. 2000. The da Vinci Surgical System was approved by the FDA. 2001. The first self-contained artificial heart, AbioCor. 2001. The first remote surgery, using the ZEUS robotic surgical system. 2005. The first partial face transplant by French surgeon Jean-Michel Dubernard et al. 2008. The first full face transplant by French surgeon Laurent Lantieri et al. 2011. The first successful double leg transplant by Spanish surgeon Pedro Cavadas et al. 2012. The first successful mother-daughter womb transplant. 2012. The first human hand transplant by surgeons in Leeds, England. 2012. The first double arm transplant by surgeons at Johns Hopkins University. 2013. The first virtual surgery using Google Glass by surgeons at the University of Alabama, which they call Virtual Interactive Presence in Augmented Reality (VIPAAR). 2013. The first growing of a replacement nose on a patient's forehead by surgeons at Imperial College in Fuzhou, China. 2014. The first penis transplant by surgeons at Tygerberg Hospital in South Africa. 2015. The first skull and scalp transplant by surgeons at MD Anderson Cancer Center and Houston Methodist Hospital in Texas. 2016. The first penis transplant (in the United States) by surgeons at Massachusetts General Hospital.[58] 2016. The first uterus transplant in the U.S. at Cleveland Clinic. 2016. The first HIV-to-HIV liver transplant at Johns Hopkins.[59] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 On November 9, 2019 at 11:36 AM, Skallywag said: I am confused, 2 different guys in 2 different videos. Both are having other people move their legs is how I see it. Never saw either of them move their legs on their own? Wish them well, and hopefully this electrical impulse thing will help them in the future Here you go. A leg moving on its own. Min 21:00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlandtday Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 10:19 AM, Thaiwrath said: A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries. I hope he is on the path to success but its a big difference between random stimulation and control of a limb however science is advancing and hopefully the future will be bright for this young man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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