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8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

I would remind citizens of the UK that they are British Citizens. Not anything else.

I've always thought of myself as English.

In my experience, Scots always refer to themselves as Scottish.

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19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've always thought of myself as English.

In my experience, Scots always refer to themselves as Scottish.

I am a citizen of the world and therefore a citizen of nowhere.

 

I viscerally dislike nationalism, which I believe ultimately leads to war, as former French President Francois Mitterrand rightly observed in his final speech to the European Parliament. Whether in the guise of “America first” or Brexit, nationalism goes beyond asserting a right to self-determination based on a shared geography or ethnicity. It involves a dangerous collective sense of superiority over other tribes, races, creeds or religions.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/how-britain-made-me-a-citizen-of-nowhere/

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3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Quite a lot go there to live in Spain and France and probably other countries as well.

 

 

 

yes, they move to Europe and spend their retirement in Europe as opposed to in the UK . . .

 

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3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Makes 2 of us!

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The next immediate future will be , Scots independence, then Irish, until UK will break apart and all the small independents countries will re join EU as they too small to handle ! Well done Brexiters !

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When I was young I had a polio vaccine. Should have had the pollio one too. Sick of 'em.

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5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Brexit, divisive as it is, is divisive across traditional political parties, families etc.

 

It's being used by the nationalists, especially Sturgeon, as an excuse to try and split the UK.

 

I would remind citizens of the UK that they are British Citizens. Not anything else. Read your passport if confused.

 

The National Socialists. which is what the SNP and Paid Cymru are, want independence so they can establish their own little fiefdoms. They're as dishonest and self interested as any other politician. 

 

Wonder how Scotland and Sturgeon would react if the Shetland's and Orkneys, where SNP is particularly welcome, voted to remain in the UK should there be a split? Or Fife declared itself and independent Kingdom?

 

Or South Wales wanted to be separate from North Wales?

 

The Irish nationalists are different. They want to leave the UK and join Eire. Only they don't seem to realize the people of Eire might not be keen on that idea let alone all the Unionists in Northern Ireland.

 

It's time the shower of <deleted> was kicked out of parliament and replaced by MP's of all parties who understand they're governed by the law as well as anyone else.

I guess here is as good a place as any to explain my 'tail wags the dog' which surfaced a few pages ago...

 

England has 55M people yet is the only home nation without it's own Parliament, indeed moves are afoot to carve it up into regions in the hope that the English won't notice. This cannot be right.

 

England gave the world 'Common law'. a concept that was adopted around the world & yet has been eroded in the very place in which it started thanks to the likes of B-liar as seen by the lightening speed/blatant bias in which Gina Miller was fast tracked while others have to wait years or get fobbed off at the high port without so much as a hearing. For as long as England remains voiceless or divided into regions the English will remain muted (or at least that seems to be the plan). 

 

The remainder of the UK have had their own Parliaments for 20 years (B-liar/appeasement), enabling a combined population totalling less than half of the 55M to ride rough-shod over the English in absolutely everything.

 

I for one don't like it & cannot believe how the English sleep-walked into such a ridiculous position.

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re the islands up north;

 

what I read in between is that there are movements in the Shetlands arguing

that the islands should aim at going it alone, ie leaving both UK and Scotland behind

 

nowadays its fashionable making one's own country;

the islands

belgium splitting

the guys in barcelona and surroundings

also the guys up north in spain

southern  thailand

nigeria/biafra

quebec

as well as a bunch of others that I cannot be bothered remembering right now

 

 

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                             Image result for shredded union jack  image.jpeg.56973831a03ac797387b836d123c9bee.jpeg      

                THE UNTIED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & NORTHERN IRELAND ? 

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2 hours ago, rhyddid said:

The next immediate future will be , Scots independence, then Irish, until UK will break apart and all the small independents countries will re join EU as they too small to handle ! Well done Brexiters !

Assuming that they can meet the financial requirements.

 

How tragic for the people of those countries if they leave the UK and then find that they cannot join the EU for a few years.

 

Do you really believe that for instance, Scotland or Wales, can leave the UK and 3 months later become a full member of the EU?

 

What will happen if the country cannot meet the Copenhagen criteria and has left the UK? I suggest that you read up on what your country needs to achieve before you take many further steps.

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/how-do-countries-join-the-eu/

 

A country wishing to join the EU submits a membership application to the European Council, which asks the European Commission to assess whether the applicant can meet the Copenhagen criteria. If the Commission thinks so, the European Council agrees on a framework for negotiations with the candidate country. Membership negotiations cannot start until all EU governments agree.

Negotiations encompass 35 policy areas, known as chapters, covering all current EU legislation. Not all chapters are opened at the same time and the speed of negotiations depends on how quickly the candidate country can adopt EU legislation and fulfill the benchmark conditions set out by the EU. No negotiations on a chapter can be closed until every EU government is satisfied. The negotiation process is only concluded once every chapter has been closed.

Once negotiations are complete, the candidate country signs an an Accession treaty, setting out when it will formally join the EU. This treaty has to be approved by all governments, the European Commission and the European Parliament. Each EU member state also has to ratify the treaty.

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12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Assuming that they can meet the financial requirements.

 

How tragic for the people of those countries if they leave the UK and then find that they cannot join the EU for a few years.

 

Do you really believe that for instance, Scotland or Wales, can leave the UK and 3 months later become a full member of the EU?

 

What will happen if the country cannot meet the Copenhagen criteria and has left the UK? I suggest that you read up on what your country needs to achieve before you take many further steps.

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/how-do-countries-join-the-eu/

 

A country wishing to join the EU submits a membership application to the European Council, which asks the European Commission to assess whether the applicant can meet the Copenhagen criteria. If the Commission thinks so, the European Council agrees on a framework for negotiations with the candidate country. Membership negotiations cannot start until all EU governments agree.

Negotiations encompass 35 policy areas, known as chapters, covering all current EU legislation. Not all chapters are opened at the same time and the speed of negotiations depends on how quickly the candidate country can adopt EU legislation and fulfill the benchmark conditions set out by the EU. No negotiations on a chapter can be closed until every EU government is satisfied. The negotiation process is only concluded once every chapter has been closed.

Once negotiations are complete, the candidate country signs an an Accession treaty, setting out when it will formally join the EU. This treaty has to be approved by all governments, the European Commission and the European Parliament. Each EU member state also has to ratify the treaty.

You are assuming that this would be the wishes of the Scottish people. While it is true that there was a majority vote to remain in the EU, I saw estimates that as many as 30% of SNP voters were also in favour of Brexit - there is considerable overlap.

 

But even if we either choose not to join the EU or we find the process of joining slower than anticipated, why would this be a reason not to seek independence? 

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3 hours ago, rhyddid said:

The next immediate future will be , Scots independence, then Irish, until UK will break apart and all the small independents countries will re join EU as they too small to handle ! Well done Brexiters !

Then London should become a super city-State like Singapore on steroids and free itself from the clutches of the rest of England. Build a wall around  it and to defend itself from the hordes that will seek to enter this  golden land. The rest of the left-behind country can do what it wants. The starving masses will be useful for cheap labour that robots cannot do and those cap-doffers and knee-crawlers might come in handy as they will cause no trouble and do what they are told. 

 

Economy
With a gross value added of $546.4 billion, London’s economy would be roughly equal in size to that of Sweden, and would be the 22nd largest in the world. That’s right: we’d have the same monetary clout as a national economy founded almost entirely on meatballs, flat pack furniture, and hotels made of ice. Of course, the likelihood is that we’d join the Eurozone -- support for the EU is higher in London than anywhere else in the UK, so we’d probably be using the same currency as the Germans too.

 

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/london/what-london-would-be-like-as-a-country

 

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42 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Then London should become a super city-State like Singapore on steroids and free itself from the clutches of the rest of England. Build a wall around  it and to defend itself from the hordes that will seek to enter this  golden land. The rest of the left-behind country can do what it wants. The starving masses will be useful for cheap labour that robots cannot do and those cap-doffers and knee-crawlers might come in handy as they will cause no trouble and do what they are told. 

 

Economy
With a gross value added of $546.4 billion, London’s economy would be roughly equal in size to that of Sweden, and would be the 22nd largest in the world. That’s right: we’d have the same monetary clout as a national economy founded almost entirely on meatballs, flat pack furniture, and hotels made of ice. Of course, the likelihood is that we’d join the Eurozone -- support for the EU is higher in London than anywhere else in the UK, so we’d probably be using the same currency as the Germans too.

 

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/london/what-london-would-be-like-as-a-country

 

It's getting late.

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