Bloomberg faces big challenges if he leaps into 2020 White House race

[RideJocky]

1 minute ago, jm91 said:

More koolaid? Maybe your reference is to the Jim Jones cult - The cult of trump is more likely to drink the koolaid. 

But exactly does that mean? If you are going to respond at least try and be clear about your meaning. 

Please explain. 

 

Trump on the recording says he  - can do anything   to women - just start kissing them ... I don't even wait and grab 'em by the pussy.  He is an admitted sexual predator. 

He has multiple sexual misconduct allegations which he has paid off to silence. He paid off a porn star..he is a disgrace to the office of the president. 

 

What I mean is, you seem to regurgitate everything you hear on CNN (or the like) as fact. 
 

What “...multiple sexual misconduct allegations...” has he paid off? 
 

 

[jm91]

2 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

So rather than attacking the left that is attempting to destroy his life and undermine his authority he should be banging interns and or ruining my medical insurance? No thanks. 
I wish he spoke more eloquently but I am more concerned about the leftward slide of the county. 

 

Why is there never a call for the left to tone down the rhetoric? 
 

 

He is a disgrace. I did not vote for him but he was elected and I accepted that. He has shown himself incapable of being a president by trading US foreign policy for his own personal gain. 

Ruining medical insurance? The medical system in the USA is in ruins. Trump and the republicans had 2 years to do something, The ACA is a CONSERVATIVE plan touted by the heritage foundation. 

Insurance companies now run the health care system..not doctors. And big insurance companies care about profits..not health. The USA spends 2 to 3 times as much on health care as any other industrialized nation and we get <deleted> results. The system we have now is based on the free market and insurance companies are screwing everyone. 

There are good arguments for a single payer system. There are no good arguments for the current system. 

[jm91]

2 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

What I mean is, you seem to regurgitate everything you hear on CNN (or the like) as fact. 
 

What “...multiple sexual misconduct allegations...” has he paid off? 
 

 

Stormy Daniels. 

I don't listen to CNN I read the Wall Street Journal. Owned by the same people who own fake fox news. Are you a fox news consumer? maybe you should branch out. I recommend the WSJ.

[jm91]

Trump is sleaze. He was just fined 2 million dollars for misusing his charitable foundation. 

He admitted to running a fraudulent university. 

That should be enough to question is fitness to be president. 

[EVENKEEL]

Stock market booming, job growth humming along, impeachment will show to be a nothing burger, I'd put my money on Trump winning 2020.

[jm91]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Stock market booming, job growth humming along, impeachment will show to be a nothing burger, I'd put my money on Trump winning 2020.

Yes. trump inherited a strong economy. 

He is still sleaze. He tried to trade US national security interests for his own political gain. Surly you are not suggesting that a strong economy is an excuse for potentially harming US national security interests? If you are then you a true cult member. 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, jm91 said:

Yes. trump inherited a strong economy. 

He is still sleaze. He tried to trade US national security interests for his own political gain. Surly you are not suggesting that a strong economy is an excuse for potentially harming US national security interests? If you are then you a true cult member. 

Hate to break it to you but folks vote with their pocketbooks. 

[jm91]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Hate to break it to you but folks vote with their pocketbooks. 

People do vote with their pocketbooks. 

Trump is still sleaze. He may get reelected. I don't know. 

IF he is reelected it does not change the facts that he ran a fraudulent university, he was just fined 2 million USD for misusing his charitable foundation..and it does not change the facts that there are serious allegations that he tried to trade US foreign policy for his own personal gain (and many more). 

He is still sleaze. If you are OK with having a president who is a sleaze ball. Great..but if you are then I would question your judgement. I would not want my child to emulate the current head pussy grabber. 

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, jm91 said:

People do vote with their pocketbooks. 

Trump is still sleaze. He may get reelected. I don't know. 

IF he is reelected it does not change the facts that he ran a fraudulent university, he was just fined 2 million USD for misusing his charitable foundation..and it does not change the facts that there are serious allegations that he tried to trade US foreign policy for his own personal gain (and many more). 

He is still sleaze. If you are OK with having a president who is a sleaze ball. Great..but if you are then I would question your judgement. I would not want my child to emulate the current head pussy grabber. 

With all of Trump's personal flaws folks will still pick him over the wacked out Dems. The Dem candidates who I don't have problems with won't make the cut. 

[jm91]

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

With all of Trump's personal flaws folks will still pick him over the wacked out Dems. The Dem candidates who I don't have problems with won't make the cut. 

Maybe folks will pick trump. 1 year from now we will know. 

He is sleaze and unfit to be president. You don't dispute that you just think it is ok. 

Democracy can not survive when people choose loyalty to trump over loyalty to the United States and the rule of law. 

 

There are real problems in the US that need to be addressed. Healthcare..education..infrastructure. More tax cuts for the wealthy are the only solutions I hear from trump. I read an interview where the senator from kentucky said the US needs to cut back on social security and medicare because of the deficits, which the republicans made larger. Maybe people will vote their pocketbooks when they realize social security is in danger with people like mcconnel in power. 

 

Sad. 

[Ramen087]

52 minutes ago, jm91 said:

Maybe folks will pick trump. 1 year from now we will know. 

He is sleaze and unfit to be president. You don't dispute that you just think it is ok. 

Democracy can not survive when people choose loyalty to trump over loyalty to the United States and the rule of law. 

 

There are real problems in the US that need to be addressed. Healthcare..education..infrastructure. More tax cuts for the wealthy are the only solutions I hear from trump. I read an interview where the senator from kentucky said the US needs to cut back on social security and medicare because of the deficits, which the republicans made larger. Maybe people will vote their pocketbooks when they realize social security is in danger with people like mcconnel in power. 

 

Sad. 

c'mon. the sky isn't falling. democracy isn't failing. you just cannot accept that hilary wasn't the winner in a fairly contested election. SS? it's simple demographics. ss is a manageable problem that lifespans will take care, then the demographics will change... and medicare isn't going anywhere either, for the same reason...  you don't like trump. we get it. if someone else is taking the oath in Jan 2020, the only thing that will change is your perception of the usa... the policies of presidential candidates, especially those who have never been VP, or held the office of the president itself, is way different than those who get to see the intelligence once they are the CIC.  members of both parties have long held a higher value on loyalty to their party, than what's best for the overall populace...where have you been?  this hasn't changed in many decades.  compromise was more common...yes, it was... but each negotiating party held their ground based on their own party's values... 

[zydeco]

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

So you prefer certain industries be in shackles. Wow, that's quite revealing.

Yes, Big Tech monopolies not only need to be in shackles, they need to be broken up, along with to big to fail banks and this system that floods companies with cash and loans for producing little new and instead funneling cash into stock buybacks that primarily enrich corporate boardrooms.  Yes, I want a radical solution for this corrupt system of enriching the one percent at the expense of the rest of the country, especially people trying to save for their retirement. Another "moderate" like Bloomberg will only feed the monster even more. He's just another version of Trump with table manners.

[zydeco]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Stock market booming, job growth humming along, impeachment will show to be a nothing burger, I'd put my money on Trump winning 2020.

Want to see a "booming" stock market? Look at Venezuela. See anything inconsistent with its 3000 percent increase and the actual Venezuelan economy???  Maybe that's because the stock market isn't the economy. And Trump, with his goosing the markets, demanding negative interest rates, launching another round of QE, and billionaire tax cuts, and trillion dollar per year deficits, is producing a mini version of Venezuela in the US. Just hope he doesn't produce the real thing.  Oh, and Trump himself took the other side of these arguments when he was running for office--against QE, for higher interest rates, decreasing the debt. Trump is actually everything he warned us against. What a lying slug.

[RideJocky]

7 hours ago, jm91 said:

Stormy Daniels. 

I don't listen to CNN I read the Wall Street Journal. Owned by the same people who own fake fox news. Are you a fox news consumer? maybe you should branch out. I recommend the WSJ.

Stormy Daniels? That’s the best you can do, consensual sex with a porn “star” that later shakes him down for hush money? 
 

l don’t like that he fools around on his wife, but again, he is the only hope I have of slowing the leftward slide of the country. 
 

I know the left would have him jailed for tearing the tag off a mattress. 

 

[Tug]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Hate to break it to you but folks vote with their pocketbooks. 

Yup the ballooning deficit the extra 1,000 pr year for donalds tarreffs the wrecked health care sys tax breaks for the wealthy the no action on infrastructure do you really think we are stupid?donald trump has been a real estate conn for years a crappy prime contractor who has been ripping off venders for years you can vote for him if you like Bloomberg would be far better heck just about any one of the dems running would be better 

[Sujo]

I pity any president after trump. Dem or Repub.

 

The mess the deficit and economy will be in will be a shambles.

 

I honestly think trump wants to be a one term president so that after his incompetence he can blame anyone else when it all comes home to roost. Truth and logic doesnt concern him. The blame will be to whoever comes in next. According to him.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I pity any president after trump. Dem or Repub.

 

The mess the deficit and economy will be in will be a shambles.

 

I honestly think trump wants to be a one term president so that after his incompetence he can blame anyone else when it all comes home to roost. Truth and logic doesnt concern him. The blame will be to whoever comes in next. According to him.

I agree, the booming stock market is a clear indication of the economy being in shambles.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I agree, the booming stock market is a clear indication of the economy being in shambles.

I wish what you are saying was true but imo I’m deeply worryed,trump inherited a good economy he gave a nice big tax cut to the wealthy he deregulated many of the regulations hindering industry and laws regulating corporations he has been bullying the fed to keep the interest rates artificially low meanwhile the deficit continues to balloon  during good economic times imo that’s not sound planning.Bloomberg or any other candidate would get a TEAM of experts together to chart a safer course forward we are on a (meth)high I’m afaraid the come down is going to be terrible 

[Cryingdick]

9 hours ago, zydeco said:

Yes, Big Tech monopolies not only need to be in shackles, they need to be broken up, along with to big to fail banks and this system that floods companies with cash and loans for producing little new and instead funneling cash into stock buybacks that primarily enrich corporate boardrooms.  Yes, I want a radical solution for this corrupt system of enriching the one percent at the expense of the rest of the country, especially people trying to save for their retirement. Another "moderate" like Bloomberg will only feed the monster even more. He's just another version of Trump with table manners.

 

Saving for retirement? Big companies enriching themselves at the expense of my retirement???? Look I own AMZN, AAPL, V, JPM, MA, MSFT, NVDA, DIS etc. That is my retirement. For example Alaska just bought up a big position in AMZN so they can finance education into the future. Unless asking "do you want fries with that?" makes up a portion of your job you likely own shares under your 401K. Stocks finance a lot of government programs.

 

Nobody "saves" for retirement with 2% yield on 30 year treasuries. If you have money in a bank right now you are watching your money devalue YOY. The only people who retire and are able to retire well need compounding to stack the money up. With free commissions and employers matching tax free funds Wall Street is the only place for the average man to park his money. 

 

 

Almost everybody's retirement account has shares of these big companies. Central banks around the world own these stocks.  One of the biggest reasons Warren won't win is people who want to retire in the next two decades are afraid of what will happen to their retirement accounts. 

 

I would like to hear how you would break up something like Google? Would it become two search engines? So we can Google or Schmoogle it? 

 

Anyway the reaction to Bloomberg is amusing. Some hardcore lefties like JT even realize how out right wacky Warren and Bernie are. It's funny because before that they were dead serious she would win. Just like Hillary was so great last election and once she lost then they say she was a horrible candidate. But not before then. 

 

This thread shows exactly how weak the current dem frontrunners are. That party is in a panic love the "exit" plans. 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

I wish what you are saying was true but imo I’m deeply worryed,trump inherited a good economy he gave a nice big tax cut to the wealthy he deregulated many of the regulations hindering industry and laws regulating corporations he has been bullying the fed to keep the interest rates artificially low meanwhile the deficit continues to balloon  during good economic times imo that’s not sound planning.Bloomberg or any other candidate would get a TEAM of experts together to chart a safer course forward we are on a (meth)high I’m afaraid the come down is going to be terrible 

 

I ended up with a tax cut. They keep saying it only went to billionaires but this is not true. This is where Warren says she won't raise a single penny on the middle class... as soon as she repeals Trump's tax cut middle class tax rates go up immediately. Clawing back the crumbs. It does appear that a good portion of the middle of the country are beginning to catch on that Warren is an unmitigated disaster. 

 

Her healthcare plan alone bankrupts America before she even begins to go dig for more to finance all her other programs. I could live with Bloomberg. He understands the economy and the markets.

 

For Warren though the backlash is just beginning. She keeps taking cheap little shots at some of the brightest minds our country has for no apparent reason. I am not sure Bloomberg has the personality to win though. He is sort of a saner, more mainstream version of Tom Steyer. After all the race baiting, class warfare, and virtue signaling it would  be somewhat ironic that a billionaire white man emerges.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

16 hours ago, jm91 said:

Wow..so you prefer that certain industries have no controls so they can pollute fore example and use their economic power to the benefit of their shareholder and the detriment of society. 

 

 

No, but I do prefer people don't make up things and attribute them as things I've said.

[Crazy Alex]

18 minutes ago, Tug said:

I wish what you are saying was true but imo I’m deeply worryed,trump inherited a good economy he gave a nice big tax cut to the wealthy he deregulated many of the regulations hindering industry and laws regulating corporations he has been bullying the fed to keep the interest rates artificially low meanwhile the deficit continues to balloon  during good economic times imo that’s not sound planning.Bloomberg or any other candidate would get a TEAM of experts together to chart a safer course forward we are on a (meth)high I’m afaraid the come down is going to be terrible 

Well yes, when it's time for tax cuts, those who have been paying the most save the most. And given 44% of Americans pay no federal income tax at all (obviously the vast majority are lower income earners), I'm not sure how it is we're supposed to cut their taxes even more.

[RideJocky]

On 11/10/2019 at 9:49 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Well yes, when it's time for tax cuts, those who have been paying the most save the most. And given 44% of Americans pay no federal income tax at all (obviously the vast majority are lower income earners), I'm not sure how it is we're supposed to cut their taxes even more.

The low-information left does understand that only people that actually pay income taxes pay less income tax when income taxes are cut. 
 

That said, the ~47% that pay no income tax benefit from the the cuts due how the cuts stimulate the economy.

 

 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, RideJocky said:

The low-information left does understand that only people that actually pay income taxes pay less income tax when income taxes are cut. 
 

That said, the ~47% that pay no income tax benefit from the the cuts due how the cuts stimulate the economy.

 

 

Right. Trump's tax cuts have stimulated the economy so much that business investment has plummeted.

US business investment much weaker in the second quarter than previously estimated

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/us-gdp-q2-2019-final.html

From the time of Ronald Reagan onwards, we've been told by Republicans that cuts in taxes would pay for themselves with increased growth rates. It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

[bristolboy]

There is one area in which Bloomberg is definitely competitive with Trump:

'I'd Do Her': A Brief History of Michael Bloomberg's Public Sexism

https://gawker.com/5979679/id-do-her-a-brief-history-of-michael-bloombergs-public-sexism

[bristolboy]

On 11/10/2019 at 9:49 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Well yes, when it's time for tax cuts, those who have been paying the most save the most. And given 44% of Americans pay no federal income tax at all (obviously the vast majority are lower income earners), I'm not sure how it is we're supposed to cut their taxes even more.

American billionaires paid less in taxes in 2018 than the working class, analysis shows — and it's another sign that one of the biggest problems in the US is only getting worse

 

• In 2018, billionaires paid 23% of their income in federal, state, and local taxes, while the average American paid 28%.
• That's according to an analysis of tax data by the University of California at Berkeley's Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman for their upcoming book "The Triumph of Injustice."
• Between 1950 and 1980, billionaires paid more than 50% of their income in taxes each year, according to Saez and Zucman.

https://www.businessinsider.com/american-billionaires-paid-less-taxes-than-working-class-wealth-gap-2019-10

[RideJocky]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

American billionaires paid less in taxes in 2018 than the working class, analysis shows — and it's another sign that one of the biggest problems in the US is only getting worse

 

• In 2018, billionaires paid 23% of their income in federal, state, and local taxes, while the average American paid 28%.
• That's according to an analysis of tax data by the University of California at Berkeley's Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman for their upcoming book "The Triumph of Injustice."
• Between 1950 and 1980, billionaires paid more than 50% of their income in taxes each year, according to Saez and Zucman.

https://www.businessinsider.com/american-billionaires-paid-less-taxes-than-working-class-wealth-gap-2019-10

so they only paid 23 million as apposed to 28 hundred. 
 

great work

[RideJocky]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Right. Trump's tax cuts have stimulated the economy so much that business investment has plummeted.

US business investment much weaker in the second quarter than previously estimated

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/us-gdp-q2-2019-final.html

From the time of Ronald Reagan onwards, we've been told by Republicans that cuts in taxes would pay for themselves with increased growth rates. It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

But but but Regan

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

But but but Regan

You're the one who claimed tax cuts stimulate the economy. I invoked history to show that was a false. So, no, it's not but but Reagan, it's using evidence to support a case. You might try that some time.

[RideJocky]

27 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You're the one who claimed tax cuts stimulate the economy. I invoked history to show that was a false. So, no, it's not but but Reagan, it's using evidence to support a case. You might try that some time.

You claimed: “From the time of Ronald Reagan onwards, we've been told by Republicans that cuts in taxes would pay for themselves with increased growth rates. It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.”

 

Clearly an opinion which you’re now doubling down on calling it “history” and “evidence”.