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Does anyone have FIRST HAND experience with Thai CONDO toilet installations? I live on the 8th floor, brand new place, and my toilet smells really bad. It could be the water, gases, or I suspect, no seal from toilet drain to toilet drain pipe. The bottom of the toilet is caulked, silicone I imagine, it appears rust colored. I have tried the blue tablets, no help there. Please only respond if you have actual FIRST HAND CONDO toilet installation knowledge. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. Do they actually use the rings below or other wax/paraffin seals?

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I do not have first-hand condo toilet installation knowledge

 

But I have firsthand knowledge of installing a Cotto toilet.

 

Go to the Cotto shop and get the proper installation kit and use it.

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At great risk (not living in a condo) will point out the wax seal has nothing to do with smells and may or may not be used - traditional method has been to seal toilet to floor but seals are often provided these days so expect some are being used.  Are there bolts holding toilet down?  If not suspect a normal cement seal.

Normal source of bathroom smells is shower or room drain.  If an odor stopping type may only require adding some water to make good seal - if not may have to cover with something or replace with odor preventing type.

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I'm with Lopburi3.  Normally, the smell is coming from another drain open to the lines.  Shower or floor drain would be the first things I'd check.  In many past cases, putting a wet towel over one of those eliminated the smell.  Not a solution, mind you.  Just a diagnostic check before chasing down the wrong alley.

 

In some places I've stayed, I could tell if it was windy outside by whether the bathroom smelled of sewage.  And that smell wasn't coming from the toilet.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, CaptainAdcap said:

I live on the 8th floor, brand new place, and my toilet smells really bad. It could be the water, gases,

I would suspect "gases" being trapped and released from your toilet

Shower, sink, toilet need to have a "vent pipe" to remove gases from their drains and facilitate drainage

Since it is a "new" condo am thinking the vent is blocked/partially blocked. 

Something the builders would need to correct or someone qualified on Building management 

Worked construction and remodels for 10 years with my brother who has a General Contractor

The top three signs your plumbing vent is clogged include:
  1. Sputtering, gurgling toilets. When airflow is inadequate in a vent because of size or blockage, the plumbing pressure will be greater than the air in the bathroom. 
  2. Slow drain.
  3. Strong sewer gas odor.
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I had one toilet with smell problem, it was usual Thai installation being bonded to the floor, took a lot of time and investigation to locate the smell source but beat it finally,

one of the two hold-down bolt at the rear of the pan wasn't sealed off, a 2 minute fix-up using some spare silicone sorted out the problem. 

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1 hour ago, lopburi3 said:

At great risk (not living in a condo) will point out the wax seal has nothing to do with smells and may or may not be used - traditional method has been to seal toilet to floor but seals are often provided these days so expect some are being used.  Are there bolts holding toilet down?  If not suspect a normal cement seal.

Normal source of bathroom smells is shower or room drain.  If an odor stopping type may only require adding some water to make good seal - if not may have to cover with something or replace with odor preventing type.

I strongly disagree. The seal prevents gases and possible toilet flushed material from escaping from the drain. Its like a scuba mask, keeps everything air contained, water out. " Between the toilet and the flange is a wax seal. The wax keeps water from leaking as it passes from the toilet to the drain pipe. It also seals against foul sewer gas odors. A wax seal will often last the life of the toilet, 20 or 30 years, without needing to be changed. "

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1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

I would suspect "gases" being trapped and released from your toilet

Shower, sink, toilet need to have a "vent pipe" to remove gases from their drains and facilitate drainage

Since it is a "new" condo am thinking the vent is blocked/partially blocked. 

Something the builders would need to correct or someone qualified on Building management 

Worked construction and remodels for 10 years with my brother who has a General Contractor

The top three signs your plumbing vent is clogged include:
  1. Sputtering, gurgling toilets. When airflow is inadequate in a vent because of size or blockage, the plumbing pressure will be greater than the air in the bathroom. 
  2. Slow drain.
  3. Strong sewer gas odor.

3 Yes, my problem. 1 and 2 no. What about no or poor seal between toilet and main drain pipe?

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3 minutes ago, CaptainAdcap said:

I strongly disagree. The seal prevents gases and possible toilet flushed material from escaping from the drain. Its like a scuba mask, keeps everything air contained, water out. " Between the toilet and the flange is a wax seal. The wax keeps water from leaking as it passes from the toilet to the drain pipe. It also seals against foul sewer gas odors. A wax seal will often last the life of the toilet, 20 or 30 years, without needing to be changed. "

I agree if talking about using that system but that is not how it is normally done here - the base of the toilet itself is air sealed with white cement to prevent water or gas escape - when this is done wax seals are not needed.

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21 minutes ago, Artisi said:

I had one toilet with smell problem, it was usual Thai installation being bonded to the floor, took a lot of time and investigation to locate the smell source but beat it finally,

one of the two hold-down bolt at the rear of the pan wasn't sealed off, a 2 minute fix-up using some spare silicone sorted out the problem. 

I have seen this answer many times. Pan ??? Never heard of this pan. The bolts should be adhered to the floor. I guess if there is a pan underneath the toilet that contains sewage, I guess so. Is this standard CONDO construction?

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This is proper "Western" toilet installation. It works and it's simple. Toilet connects directly to drain pipe, no smell, no gas, no leakage, and no pan, whatever that is...

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10 minutes ago, CaptainAdcap said:

Between the toilet and the flange is a wax seal. The wax keeps water from leaking as it passes from the toilet to the drain pipe. It also seals against foul sewer gas odors. A wax seal will often last the life of the toilet, 20 or 30 years, without needing to be changed. "

That is true in some places (US) not in others. It certainly is neither universal nor an absolute requirement. 

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5 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

I agree if talking about using that system but that is not how it is normally done here - the base of the toilet itself is air sealed with white cement to prevent water or gas escape - when this is done wax seals are not needed.

Great, thank you. Cement cracks, especially if not used. This place was empty for at least a year, never used, I think the cement cracked. Cement loves water, especially in the curing process. Thank you my friend.

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an Example where a wax ring cannot be used.

 

the coupler will work with toilets that drain back or down

 

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Just now, sometimewoodworker said:

That is true in some places (US) not in others. It certainly is neither universal nor an absolute requirement. 

A seal of some kind is a MUST HAVE. It can be wax, rubber, cement, silicone chalk. If not sealed, smells, health hazard, and more importantly, water seepage that leads to structural damage to your neighbors ceiling and/or foundation of your toilet floor. Wax has worked great in many climates for the life of a toilet. Rubber gasket and silicone probably holds up well. Cement and silicone seal, I would argue, short lived especially if the unit is used intermittently.

" The biggest SARS outbreak in Hong Kong spread through the plumbing in an apartment complex after visits from a man sick with the disease, a health official said Thursday. " IMPROPERLY SEALED TOILET, so I was told...

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