Republicans want Hunter Biden, whistleblower to testify in open hearings

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Except the prosecutor wasn't investigating Burisma. In fact, the Ukraine legislature, anti corruption NGO's and the local anti-corruption movement was pushing to have him fired for not pursuing investigations of corruptions. The only person parties who didn't want to fire him was Poroshenko and his fellow oligarchs whom Shokin was clearly protecting. The only prosecutions Shokin pursued with zeal was Ukraine's biggest anti-corruption NGO and other Ukrainian prosecutors who were going after Shokin's prosecutors on grounds of corruption. His people had been found to be in possession of large amounts of jewels and gold which they couldn't account for.

More absolute BS.  Read Shokin's sworn affidavit.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

They know this but refuse to understand facts. Its like trying to talk sense to a flat earther. 

You're just regurgitating MSM bogus narrative talking points passed off by them as facts, Sujo.  We see past their BS.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

 

More documentation supporting Biden corruption.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/firm-hired-by-ukraines-burisma-tried-to-use-hunter-biden-as-leverage-documents-show-11573009615

 

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html

[Becker]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You're just regurgitating MSM bogus narrative talking points passed off by them as facts, Sujo.  We see past their BS.

!

Thanks, I needed that

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

How is the whistleblower relevant?

 

You want hearsay as evidence? You think hearsay evidence is acceptable? when there is first hand evidence?

 

He has not been unmasked. His identity is not known in the public. Some have tried to guess but its not confirmed. So you are happy to go after a guy who is only thought may be the whistleblower.

 

i note you do not have the same low standard regarding trump.

 

So how is the evidence going. Care to comment on the actual evidence or happy to just stick to irrelevant matters that will have no bearing on the impeachment.

When this "scandal" blew open all the Trump haters were in support of hearsay.  What happened, Sujo?

 

As to whether the identity of the whistle blower is relevant I will guarantee that there are law makers who understand accurately the relevancy.  He may also very well be one of the players involved in the Russia hoax.  Who is Charlie?

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182481078159851520.html

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The summary of Trump’s call was provided by the WH and doctored by the WH before release.

 

Do at least try to keep up.

Back up that claim with evidence, Chomper, or recant.  That the call transcript was doctored by the White House is a bona fide lie.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Back up that claim with evidence, Chomper, or recant.  That the call transcript was doctored by the White House is a bona fide lie.

See witness statements. Not a lie, fact.

[Becker]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

When this "scandal" blew open all the Trump haters were in support of hearsay.  What happened, Sujo?

 

As to whether the identity of the whistle blower is relevant I will guarantee that there are law makers who understand accurately the relevancy.  He may also very well be one of the players involved in the Russia hoax.  Who is Charlie?

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182481078159851520.html

More drivel from fringe (and I'm being very polite here) sources.

 

"Who is Charlie?"

Je suis Charlie!

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

It's absolutely not relevant. The impeachment inquiry is about Trump's wrong-doing. Allegations of wrong-doing by others, even if they were true, are totally irrelevant.

 

It's like a person accused of a burglary going into court and saying, "Yeah, but what about this other guy I know? He broke into someone's else's house." 

 

If there were any prima facie evidence that either of the Bidens did anything illegal (there isn't) it should be investigated by the FBI/DOJ and if there's help needed from a foreign government, the State Dept should liaise with them.

 

It's entirely inappropriate (and as we're seeing, potentially impeachable conduct) for a President to unilaterally decide to extort a foreign leader into investigating a political rival.

If there were any prima facie evidence that either of the Bidens did anything illegal (there isn't) . . . 

 

Utter BS.  And this lie is endlessly repeated by Trump haters, fed by the MSM as conspiracy theory.  Plenty of evidence.  I'm not linking to everything that's available.  And there's a lot.

 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/testimony-bombshell-obama-administration-tried-to-partner-with-hunter-bidens-ukrainian-gas-firm-but-was-blocked-over-corruption-concerns/

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

Burisma rep Bluestar name dropping Hunter Biden for access to the State Department.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/433389210/Bluestar-Novelli-Contacts

 

Burisma Consultant Contacted State Department Over Hunter Biden Concerns: Emails

 

 

[Becker]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

If there were any prima facie evidence that either of the Bidens did anything illegal (there isn't) . . . 

 

Utter BS.  And this lie is endlessly repeated by Trump haters, fed by the MSM as conspiracy theory.  Plenty of evidence.  I'm not linking to everything that's available.  And there's a lot.

And still Trump's favorite pet Barr does nothing about it? Yes sure, highly likely and hugely credible.

Anyone of you base Trump supporters ever heard of "critical thinking"?

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, Becker said:

More drivel from fringe (and I'm being very polite here) sources.

 

"Who is Charlie?"

Je suis Charlie!

Fringe?  Most of what is on that thread are facsimiles of declassified emails, a photo of Ciaramella at the Poroshenko signing of $1 billion in U.S. assistance, a State Dept. doc, a Politico article, etc.

 

Why are you deliberately lying by calling it fringe, Becker?

[Tippaporn]

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

See witness statements. Not a lie, fact.

Post it, stevenl.

[Becker]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Try arguing with facts instead of sources, Becker.  It's pathetic.

What's pathetic and hilarious are base Trump supporters completely and constantly disregarding facts that go against their hero and then pretend that they suddenly care

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, Becker said:

And still Trump's favorite pet Barr does nothing about it? Yes sure, highly likely and hugely credible.

Anyone of you base Trump supporters ever heard of "critical thinking"?

I'm posting documented evidence.  You're posting trash talk with nothing to back it up.  And you incredulously suggest we don't have critical thinking skills?  You're embarrassing yourself, Becker.

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Ok try a different way. Why can't POTUS with hold the charity they give a country?  nothing wrong in using aid to get information on the ex-VP's cocaine loving son being on the board AND his father getting the prosecutor sacked (for AID). Totally RELEVANT.

Well he is now known for withholding charity so there’s that. 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, Becker said:

And still Trump's favorite pet Barr does nothing about it? Yes sure, highly likely and hugely credible.

Anyone of you base Trump supporters ever heard of "critical thinking"?

Of course he does nothing. Now the Trump camp can keep on pointing at the democrats, MSM, biden, etc. After an investigation all that would be left is 'oops'.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

More absolute BS.  Read Shokin's sworn affidavit.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

Yes, no doubt Shokin says that. Does that make it true? His deputy says he's lying. The Ukrainian parliament says he's lying and corrupt. Anti Corruption NGO's in Ukraine say he's lying and corrupt. Do you have any knowledge of all of his disgraceful conduct as a prosecutor? And that statement of his was solicited by Giuliani in support of the corrupt oligarch Dmytro Firtash. Who held a massive grudge against Ambassador Yovanovitch and Joseph Biden because they dislodged him from his lucrative and corrupt position in the Ukrainian gas industry. And who is still trying to get back into it by pushing to dislodge the person who is now in charge and by all accounts is doing a great job in cleansing that part of the Ukrainian economy.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course he does nothing. Now the Trump camp can keep on pointing at the democrats, MSM, biden, etc. After an investigation all that would be left is 'oops'.

Durham criminal investigation will 'shock the conscience and soul of the nation'

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sean-hannity-durham-criminal-investigation-will-shock-the-conscience-and-soul-of-the-nation

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italian-australian-officials-defend-helping-barr-in-review-of-russia-probes-origins-11571953551

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/william-barr-and-john-durham-ask-uk-italy-and-australia-for-help-in-investigation-of-mueller-inquiry-origins

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-should-share-more-information-durham-investigation

 

Of course he does nothing.

 

More utter nonsense being spouted.

[jany123]

41 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Utter BS.  And this lie is endlessly repeated by Trump haters, fed by the MSM as conspiracy theory.  Plenty of evidence.  I'm not linking to everything that's available.  And there's a lot.

 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/testimony-bombshell-obama-administration-tried-to-partner-with-hunter-bidens-ukrainian-gas-firm-but-was-blocked-over-corruption-concerns/

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

Lovely lovely.... linking multiple articles by John Solomon... whilst accusing others of BS... lol

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Solomon_(political_commentator)

While he won a number of prestigious awards for his investigative journalism in the 1990s and 2000s,^[4][5] he has also been accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy.^[6][7][8] During Donald Trump's presidency, he has been known for advancing Trump-friendly stories. He played a role in advancing conspiracy theories about wrong-doing involving Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden and Ukraine; Solomon's stories about the Bidens influenced President Trump to request that the Ukrainian president launch an investigation into 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, which led to an impeachment inquiryinto President Trump.^[2] There is no evidence of wrong-doing by Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.

[bristolboy]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Durham criminal investigation will 'shock the conscience and soul of the nation'

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sean-hannity-durham-criminal-investigation-will-shock-the-conscience-and-soul-of-the-nation

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italian-australian-officials-defend-helping-barr-in-review-of-russia-probes-origins-11571953551

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/william-barr-and-john-durham-ask-uk-italy-and-australia-for-help-in-investigation-of-mueller-inquiry-origins

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-should-share-more-information-durham-investigation

 

Of course he does nothing.

 

More utter nonsense being spouted.

Giuliani Associates Urged Ukraine’s Prior President to Open Biden, Election Probes

Months before President Trump pressed Ukraine’s newly installed leader to investigate Joe Biden’s son and allegations of interference in the 2016 U.S. election, two associates of Rudy Giuliani urged the prior Ukrainian president to announce similar probes in exchange for a state visit to Washington, according to people familiar with the matter.

A late February meeting in Kyiv between Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman and then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko took place at the offices of Ukrainian general prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, the people said. It came soon after Messrs. Parnas and Fruman met with Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, and Mr. Lutsenko in New York in late January and again in Warsaw in mid-February, Mr. Giuliani has said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/giuliani-associates-urged-ukraines-prior-president-to-open-biden-election-probes-11573247707?mod=hp_lead_pos2

So Solomon's associates Parnas and Furman, push for investigations and then give the info to Solomon. In effect, Solomon is manufacturing news. Those investigations never happened. Solomon also reported that Lutsenko claimed that Ambassador Yanonovitch gave him a list of people not to prosecute. Lutsenko later recanted.

It's clear the the ultimate source for this nonsense is Dmytro Firtash, who is fighting extradition to the US and is resentful of the loss of his corrupt dealing in regards to the Ukrainian gas industry.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, no doubt Shokin says that. Does that make it true? His deputy says he's lying. The Ukrainian parliament says he's lying and corrupt. Anti Corruption NGO's in Ukraine say he's lying and corrupt. Do you have any knowledge of all of his disgraceful conduct as a prosecutor? And that statement of his was solicited by Giuliani in support of the corrupt oligarch Dmytro Firtash. Who held a massive grudge against Ambassador Yovanovitch and Joseph Biden because they dislodged him from his lucrative and corrupt position in the Ukrainian gas industry. And who is still trying to get back into it by pushing to dislodge the person who is now in charge and by all accounts is doing a great job in cleansing that part of the Ukrainian economy.

Yes, no doubt Shokin says that. Does that make it true?

 

Follow the facts.  Reportedly on the do-not-prosecute list provided to Yuriy Lutsenko.  I'm sure more facts will come to light.

 

Anti-Corruption Action Centre (AntAC)

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435906-us-embassy-pressed-ukraine-to-drop-probe-of-george-soros-group-during-2016

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Giuliani Associates Urged Ukraine’s Prior President to Open Biden, Election Probes

Months before President Trump pressed Ukraine’s newly installed leader to investigate Joe Biden’s son and allegations of interference in the 2016 U.S. election, two associates of Rudy Giuliani urged the prior Ukrainian president to announce similar probes in exchange for a state visit to Washington, according to people familiar with the matter.

A late February meeting in Kyiv between Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman and then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko took place at the offices of Ukrainian general prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, the people said. It came soon after Messrs. Parnas and Fruman met with Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, and Mr. Lutsenko in New York in late January and again in Warsaw in mid-February, Mr. Giuliani has said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/giuliani-associates-urged-ukraines-prior-president-to-open-biden-election-probes-11573247707?mod=hp_lead_pos2

So Solomon's associates Parnas and Furman, push for investigations and then give the info to Solomon. In effect, Solomon is manufacturing news. Those investigations never happened. Solomon also reported that Lutsenko claimed that Ambassador Yanonovitch gave him a list of people not to prosecute. Lutsenko later recanted.

It's clear the the ultimate source for this nonsense is Dmytro Firtash, who is fighting extradition to the US and is resentful of the loss of his corrupt dealing in regards to the Ukrainian gas industry.

What does this have to do with what I posted?

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, jany123 said:

Lovely lovely.... linking multiple articles by John Solomon... whilst accusing others of BS... lol

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Solomon_(political_commentator)

While he won a number of prestigious awards for his investigative journalism in the 1990s and 2000s,^[4][5] he has also been accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy.^[6][7][8] During Donald Trump's presidency, he has been known for advancing Trump-friendly stories. He played a role in advancing conspiracy theories about wrong-doing involving Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden and Ukraine; Solomon's stories about the Bidens influenced President Trump to request that the Ukrainian president launch an investigation into 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, which led to an impeachment inquiryinto President Trump.^[2] There is no evidence of wrong-doing by Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.

Again, simply attack the source rather than disputing the evidence he uncovers.  Lovely, lovely, indeed.  Post some substance.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Yes, no doubt Shokin says that. Does that make it true?

 

Follow the facts.  Reportedly on the do-not-prosecute list provided to Yuriy Lutsenko.  I'm sure more facts will come to light.

 

Anti-Corruption Action Centre (AntAC)

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435906-us-embassy-pressed-ukraine-to-drop-probe-of-george-soros-group-during-2016

Actually, more facts did come to light.

Are you aware that Lutsenko recanted about his "do not prosecute list?"

More tripe from John Solomon.

Once again Solomon is getting his information from Dmytro Firtash via his corrupt associates Parnas and Furman.

 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What does this have to do with what I posted?

That your information is coming from a dishonest source: John Solomon.

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That your information is coming from a dishonest source: John Solomon.

My post was about Barr and Durham, not Ukraine.  Solomon was not used in any of the sources I provided in that post.

 

Why are you people so deliberately dishonest?

[metisdead]

Some more posts containing unsubstantiated information have been removed. If you are unable to post a link to substantiate your information, don't bother posting.

 

Some troll posts and replies were removed. 

[stevenl]

27 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Durham criminal investigation will 'shock the conscience and soul of the nation'

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sean-hannity-durham-criminal-investigation-will-shock-the-conscience-and-soul-of-the-nation

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italian-australian-officials-defend-helping-barr-in-review-of-russia-probes-origins-11571953551

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/william-barr-and-john-durham-ask-uk-italy-and-australia-for-help-in-investigation-of-mueller-inquiry-origins

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-should-share-more-information-durham-investigation

 

Of course he does nothing.

 

More utter nonsense being spouted.

True, he does what he can to protect Trump. But regarding a Biden investigation, he is doing nothing.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

My post was about Barr and Durham, not Ukraine.  Solomon was not used in any of the sources I provided in that post.

 

Why are you people so deliberately dishonest?

Exactly, why post not about Ukraine in a Ukraine thread as an answer to a Ukraine post.

 

It's called deflection. Accusing others of staying on topic is a bit rich btw.

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

My post was about Barr and Durham, not Ukraine.  Solomon was not used in any of the sources I provided in that post.

 

Why are you people so deliberately dishonest?

You're right. I did post my evidence to the wrong post of yours. My mistake.

Your mistake is in using that dishonest journalist, John Solomon to support your case.

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, more facts did come to light.

Are you aware that Lutsenko recanted about his "do not prosecute list?"

More tripe from John Solomon.

Once again Solomon is getting his information from Dmytro Firtash via his corrupt associates Parnas and Furman.

 

Myth: Former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko retracted or recanted his claim that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch in 2016 identified people and entities she did not what to see prosecuted in Ukraine.

 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/debunking-some-of-the-ukraine-scandal-myths-about-biden-and-election-interference/

 

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