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Given latest (apparently) squeeze on OA extensions I'm reviewing options

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Am currently on OA (retirment) extension with multi re entry permit until March 2020.

In short term I will be returning to UK in December and booked to return Thailand mid January using my re entry permit. 

Does anyone know if I will be prevented from re entering in January without purchasing the new worthless insurance requirement.

 

Long term,  given I currently spend 3 X 60 day "holidays" in Thailand with my partner and (pre school)Thai/UK son and then they spend similar in UK, is it possible for me to simply have 3 X 60 day tourist visas per year, or would that be frowned upon.

 

I went for the OA and subsequent extensions originally, as the plan was to retire full time here in a few years time and thought get it started early so any changes likely to be "grandfathered".

Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be happening with the 800k/400k and the latest diabolical insurance requirement is simply just another "nail" that now says maybe we would be better full time in Uk.

Having spent time today going through the various (useless/expensive) policies I really feel for those caught in this trap and while I love my time in Thailand, at least I still have options.

Many thanks in advance for replies to my 2 questions above...

Gavlar 

 

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General thought is a re-entry permit is likely to ne honored, its had to see how they could deny that. 

I also am in and out a lot, I avoid tourist visas as I am concerned that over time a build up of them will cause me issues later. 

Are you married ?? Could you get a non imm O for marriage or retirement ?? 

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i would have thought 3x60 day tourist visas is the way to go.

 

If it turns out it's a problem, reassess then

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1 hour ago, LivinLOS said:

General thought is a re-entry permit is likely to ne honored, its had to see how they could deny that. 

I also am in and out a lot, I avoid tourist visas as I am concerned that over time a build up of them will cause me issues later. 

Are you married ?? Could you get a non imm O for marriage or retirement ?? 

Hi LivinLOS,

Apologies,  should have said not married-yet-.

Although one can't help but think that surely this is going to eventually apply to that visa category as well...there simply is no justification for it not too for those over 50.

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21 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

i would have thought 3x60 day tourist visas is the way to go.

 

If it turns out it's a problem, reassess then

Thanks...I know there is restrictions on Visa exempt, hopefully 3 x 60 day tourist visas shouldn't be an issue. I'll check with my UK consulate in December and report back. Unless Ubonjoe tells me otherwise....

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50 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

I am looking at doing the same, and I have a mate who has been doing that for some years and now has to change from an O-A Visa as he cannot get insurance (too old).  Assuming you are married to a Thai and only want to stay in Thailand for 3 to 10 months at a time each year, then this might apply to you.

 

Get a Multi-entry Non0 Immigration Visa for Marriage (far easier than a retirement Visa);

The Visa is valid for 12 months from issue date and allows for entry and stay up to 90 days at a time.

 

Use that to enter and stay in Thailand for the first 3 months - come back again within the 12 months from issue for another 90 days - and coming back again for 90 days a 3rd time within the 12 months is OK - but any more than 3 is a problem I believe.

 

If you want to stay for more than 90 days at a time, then before the 90 days expires get an extension of your permission to stay for another 60 days - that gives you 5 months stay.  If you then come back again later before the 12 months expires you will get another 90 days - and another 60 days extension is OK too.  2 lots of 5 months stays - as long as second entry is before the 12 months Visa expires. 

 

If you want to stay for more than the 90 + 60 days (5 months), then just before the 60 days extension expires, leave the country for a quick holiday (few days) and re-enter (Land or Air) and you will get another 90 days (for a total of 8 months), and you can then also get another extension for 60 days (for a net total of 10 months - less those few days overseas).

 

However long you do stay, then when you return to UK, you can then apply for a new ME Non-O Visa (marriage) after the first ME Non-O Visa expires.  No need for 90 day reporting, no real need for TM30, no need for annual extension problems.

 

For someone who is married to a Thai and wants to stay in Thailand for about 6-9 months or so each year (like myself), this appears to be the best solution at this point in time.  But dont tell everyone or they might crack down on that too 🙂

 

Thanks Aussibob,

Nice one but not married-yet-....but this seems a good option when that day arises. However my gut feeling is this new requirement may get extended to those on O based on marriage and over 50 anyway...only time will tell. It would be helpful to try and plan your future, if the ministry responsible actually took a three/five year view and said here are the changes coming up.

I actually currently have very good insurance for multiple "62 day maximum" trips abroad per annum...but not sure I want to ask my insurance company to sign off that it covers an annual OA retirement visa as it plainly doesn't.

While the cost of this new requirement (at the lowest cover) isn't going to change my life ....maybe when I'm ten years older it will. 

The ones I've read that are supposed to be accepted by immigration, actually dont cover you for anywhere near the cost of a bad event so really it's just a complete waste of money in my current circumstances. 

I should state I absolutely believe in the need for insurance ....but god help those older full time expats with preconditions who it would seem (and their families) are about to be shafted.

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9 minutes ago, gavlar said:

Thanks Aussibob,

Nice one but not married-yet-....but this seems a good option when that day arises. However my gut feeling is this new requirement may get extended to those on O based on marriage and over 50 anyway...only time will tell. It would be helpful to try and plan your future, if the ministry responsible actually took a three/five year view and said here are the changes coming up.

I actually currently have very good insurance for multiple "62 day maximum" trips abroad per annum...but not sure I want to ask my insurance company to sign off that it covers an annual OA retirement visa as it plainly doesn't.

While the cost of this new requirement (at the lowest cover) isn't going to change my life ....maybe when I'm ten years older it will. 

The ones I've read that are supposed to be accepted by immigration, actually dont cover you for anywhere near the cost of a bad event so really it's just a complete waste of money in my current circumstances. 

I should state I absolutely believe in the need for insurance ....but god help those older full time expats with preconditions who it would seem (and their families) are about to be shafted.

Yep - using marriage is an option now for long term stays  - but it may not be in the future.  And yes - the Thai health insurance requirement is a scam - just like forcing Expats to put money into a Thai bank account is also a scam. 

 

I believe that as long as you dont do more than 3 Tourist visits for 2 months at a time and all seperated by a few months in one year you should be OK. So a 12 month METV seems the way to go. They cracked down on those using METVs who did border runs every 2 months so they could stay for long periods.  Silly buggers - all they had to do was introduce a rule that says METVs can only be used 3 times in any 12 month period.

 

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49 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

So a 12 month METV seems the way to go. They cracked down on those using METVs who did border runs every 2 months so they could stay for long periods.  Silly buggers - all they had to do was introduce a rule that says METVs can only be used 3 times in any 12 month period.

 

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You can't get a 12 month METV, its close to 9 months max, but valid for only 6 months once issued. In the Ops case 3x tourist visas spread over the year sound a better option

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1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Re-entry permits do not generate a new permission to stay and you already met the conditions for the permission of stay already granted you. So should not be any issue.

 

Further, the police order specifically states that exisitng permissions of stay are exempted until the end date.

 

Whether you will have an issue on next extension at this point is hard to predict, the dust is still settling and contradictory information has been reported from the same Imm offices. Should be much clearer by the time you need to do it, though.

Many thanks...

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57 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Are you the parent of the child you mentioned. If yes you can get non-o visas and extension based upon being his father.

Only 400k baht in the bank is needed or 40k baht of income. 

Yes I have a son...Great...didn't know that, as it was not mentioned on the consulate website in the UK, only an O for married to a Thai.

Can I switch to that reason in Thailand when my next extension on my OA  is due in February or do I have to do it in the UK?

Thanks 

 

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