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1 hour ago, samran said:

Actually, they've gotten heaps lighter and more fuel efficient. And will continue to do so.

But thats not Qantas slashing emissions, thats Boeing or Airbus slashing emissions. Any airline that updates their fleet will be by default cutting emissions

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54 minutes ago, tyga said:

Nothing will exist as we know it today in 30 years regardless of if action is taken or if it is not. Business as usual cannot continue so what you say is a truism. We either adjust or the planet will adjust us!

I'm guessing the planet will adjust us before we give up all the goodies.

I'm not giving up roast lamb for soy fake meat, or buying an overpriced electric car that takes too long to charge it's short lived batteries which then cause pollution when disposed of.

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36 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

But thats not Qantas slashing emissions, thats Boeing or Airbus slashing emissions. Any airline that updates their fleet will be by default cutting emissions

True but irrelevant. Every government wants to increase aircraft numbers which will cancel out any pollution savings they make on individual engines.

If they really want less aircraft pollution they have to cut flights.

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1 hour ago, tyga said:

Knee jerk reactions by people who are uninformed or not up to speed seems to be the norm but making a virtue out of ignorance is not really the way to go. 

This sub forum would be dead if it wasn’t for knee jerk reactions.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

But thats not Qantas slashing emissions, thats Boeing or Airbus slashing emissions. Any airline that updates their fleet will be by default cutting emissions

These things are demand led...

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6 minutes ago, samran said:

These things are demand led...

true but demand is influenced by government policy unless you don't believe in a country guiding the development path and rely  on free enterprise and the market

 

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1 hour ago, tyga said:

And what is wrong with that? People like me who fly less than we would because of our impact on CO2 welcome a well thought out and large scale adjustment of the aviation industry so each time we fly we are part of the solution and not the pollution. Flying is cheap when you compare it with historical prices so if say 20% extra was charged and as a result ideally speaking we read about restoration of rainforests instead of destruction, I'd happily fly. Instead of seeing billowing smoke from fires, we saw regreening by airline passenger tickets of Borneo or the Amazon out of the aircraft windows would add an extra satisfaction to flying. I'm sure it is not that simple and a lot of the carbon offsetting is by reducing other industries emissions which are easier to reduce than a plane's. Strictly speaking this type of offsetting is not solving anything but it is preventing it from getting worse. Also some carbon offsetting can be done by using fuels which are carbon neutral.

 

I understand there is an emotional response to this type of thing from many forum members who are uncomfortable with the environment taking centre stage but I welcome it. There are great deal of experts in earth science, chemical science and engineering, economics and policy planning whose lives are devoted to finding solutions to the greatest issue of our time. Knee jerk reactions by people who are uninformed or not up to speed seems to be the norm but making a virtue out of ignorance is not really the way to go. Better to read up on the science and see how people are finding solutions and embrace them!

The greatest issue of our time is overpopulation. Who is working on that? Billions get spent trying to extend the human lifespan. We really need a pandemic plague to make any real difference. Maybe climate change is that plague.

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3 hours ago, samran said:
8 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Charging more for carbon offset isnt slashing emissions, its just charging more. Planes dont magically create less emissions, they just charge more to plant a tree somewhere.

 

3 hours ago, samran said:

Actually, they've gotten heaps lighter and more fuel efficient. And will continue to do so.

Flying between the UK and Singapore back in the '60s, as I used to do, involved four fuel gobbling engines and 3 refueling stops. Now it's none stop on 2 fuel efficient engines. And a much larger aircraft as carrying twice as many passengers.

 

So the notion that it 'can't be done' is just that. A notion.

 

 

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3 hours ago, natway09 said:

Most of the advances made so far have been extensive turbine development & ability to use only 2 engines due to reliability issues. The advent of non fossil fuels have not helped a lot as they still produce carbon.

Electric planes are more than a dream now, but the origin of the power source to recharge the batteries is the big question 

15000km long power lead is out of the question then?

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9 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Charging more for carbon offset isnt slashing emissions, its just charging more. Planes dont magically create less emissions, they just charge more to plant a tree somewhere.

Which then gets burned down in a great fire, creating more carbon, which disrupts the climate even more, so plant another tree........................   LOL

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59 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

The greatest issue of our time is overpopulation. Who is working on that? Billions get spent trying to extend the human lifespan. We really need a pandemic plague to make any real difference. Maybe climate change is that plague.

Euthanasia at three score and ten, then Soylent Green?  

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Maybe  all the passengers could  flap their arms  cuz  sure as  hell that plane aint gonna  run on batteries.........bunch of dreamers .

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3 hours ago, natway09 said:

Electric planes are more than a dream now,

Nonsense you cant shove 400 people in a  battery  plane, best you "might" do is less than 10 for a range of  few  hundred  miles at best

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1 hour ago, tyga said:

true but demand is influenced by government policy unless you don't believe in a country guiding the development path and rely  on free enterprise and the market

 

Never said I didn’t. But as a Australian owned airline under a current conservative government which is led by a PM who waved a lump of coal around in parliament, for the moment markets are leading this more than the government in Australia. 

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