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The western propaganda media presents seriously skewed view on the riots. I've seen some photos in South China Morning Post...If you have a mob in Sydney on a bridge across a motorway throwing stones on the cars guess what the police would do..

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8 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

I for one am more than a little surprised that forces behind mainland China have been so patient regarding action against the protesters. It won,t be long before the heavy hand appears 😞

Because the sponsors of the riots are hoping China would clamp down before the Taiwan presidential elections in January. That's why China is not falling into the trap. China wants the Kuomintang candidate Han Kuo Yu to win.

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Just have a look at the genocide at the Uighurs to see what can happen to you when you're living "in" China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/21/chinas-attacks-uighur-women-are-crimes-against-humanity/
https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/china-reportedly-harassing-families-of-uighur-activists/

Seeing that I fully understand that the people of Hong Kong, especially the younger generation, want to stay outside of China. They have my sympathy. Good luck!

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7 hours ago, Selatan said:

Maybe my English is not that good, but what nonsense genocide are you talking about? How many millions of Uyghurs have been killed so far in those re-education camps?

I find China's approach to anti-terrorism to be very humane. Maybe cowboys like guns too much. The Middle East is totally ruined by the cowboys.

 

Even if you call them "re-education camps", and even if a huge troll army does the same, they are like the concentration camps of the Nazis. History repeats once again.

Quoted from Wikipedia: "that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps".[4][5] In August 2018, a United Nations human rights panel said that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uyghurs in China have been held in "re-education camps" "

Sounds like genocide to me.

"anti-terrorism"? These millions of Uyghurs in these so-called "re-education camps" have nothing to do with terrorism. Nothing at all.

And even if, you find it "humane" to rape and force sterilization in these "re-education camps"? I don't.

However I agree with you on the cowboys ruining the Middle East, with Trump's betrayal of the the Kurds only the last example of it.

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41 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

 

Even if you call them "re-education camps", and even if a huge troll army does the same, they are like the concentration camps of the Nazis. History repeats once again.

Quoted from Wikipedia: "that "at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens" were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the "concentration camps".[4][5] In August 2018, a United Nations human rights panel said that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uyghurs in China have been held in "re-education camps" "

Sounds like genocide to me.

"anti-terrorism"? These millions of Uyghurs in these so-called "re-education camps" have nothing to do with terrorism. Nothing at all.

And even if, you find it "humane" to rape and force sterilization in these "re-education camps"? I don't.

However I agree with you on the cowboys ruining the Middle East, with Trump's betrayal of the the Kurds only the last example of it.

if the ultimate intention was to kill, why build re-education centres and give them vocation training? Why not just herd them into the middle of the Taklamakan desert and throw them into a deep hole and bury them alive? 

If you can do a bit of maths, to imprison millions would need thousands of such concentration camps but the accusers couldn't pinpoint them. Thousands of them should be easily spotted, right?

Did you know that many of those who were sent to the re-education centres couldn't even speak Chinese? They were all told by radical Islamists not to do business or work with "infidels". The women were told to wear burqas and not to wear their traditional clothes, and of course, no makeup. They were even forbidden to cry at funerals. Of course, no more dancing. The re-education centres were built to try to reverse the effects of extremist teachings and to also provide skills to the trainees so that they could be gainfully employed later on.

It would be naive to believe 100% whatever an asylum seeker says. They would say anything to get asylum approval because they knew that nobody could verify their claims anyway. It's proven in the West that even lawyers would teach their clients to create stories to boost their chances of gaining approval.

'I wrote so many ridiculous cases' - Tales from the asylum mills

Radio Sweden - Selling of fake asylum stories revealed

 

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2 hours ago, Selatan said:

The re-education centres were built to try to reverse the effects of extremist teachings and to also provide skills to the trainees so that they could be gainfully employed later on.


You seem to know an awful lot about these concentration camps. So you're saying that the sexual violence against and forced sterilization of Uighur women and removal of Uighur children are simply re-education methods "to also provide skills to the trainees so that they could be gainfully employed later on"?

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42 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:


You seem to know an awful lot about these concentration camps. So you're saying that the sexual violence against and forced sterilization of Uighur women and removal of Uighur children are simply re-education methods "to also provide skills to the trainees so that they could be gainfully employed later on"?

Didn't you read the posted links about fake stories given by asylum seekers? How sure are you that the forced sterilisation of Uyghur women story was true? I say this that's because thousands of asylum seekers have been using the same fake stories about forced abortions and sterilisations in China and the Trump administration had been trying to deport them all. 

Immigrants May Be Fed False Stories to Bolster Asylum Pleas

 

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There is no reliable data on the pervasiveness of asylum schemes, but law enforcement officials say they are among the most common immigration frauds, and the hardest to detect and investigate.

 

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35 minutes ago, Selatan said:

Didn't you read the posted links about fake stories given by asylum seekers?

Actually I did, and there is no mention of Uighurs there, but it says: "Of course, thousands of those claims are legitimate."

So, if anything, the link you posted does confirm that the reports about sexual violence against and forced sterilization of Uighur women in the Xinjiang concentration camps are legitimate.

Bringing me back to my point, that I can understand, and sympathize with, that the people of HK not want to live "in" a country which does such horrible acts.

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3 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Actually I did, and there is no mention of Uighurs there, but it says: "Of course, thousands of those claims are legitimate."

So, if anything, the link you posted does confirm that the reports about sexual violence against and forced sterilization of Uighur women in the Xinjiang concentration camps are legitimate.

Bringing me back to my point, that I can understand, and sympathize with, that the people of HK not want to live "in" a country which does such horrible acts.

No-one has been forcibly sterilised. Sinophobic nonsense promulgated by western media as is much of the reporting on Xinjiang. It all went quiet when they invited the world press in.

 

No genocide has taken place.

 

Joshua Wong is an American puppet.

 

That will be all.

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3 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Actually I did, and there is no mention of Uighurs there, but it says: "Of course, thousands of those claims are legitimate."

So, if anything, the link you posted does confirm that the reports about sexual violence against and forced sterilization of Uighur women in the Xinjiang concentration camps are legitimate.

Bringing me back to my point, that I can understand, and sympathize with, that the people of HK not want to live "in" a country which does such horrible acts.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
So, don't take those claims too seriously if I were you. Don't forget China is a huge target of anti-China propaganda by the West for a very long time.

Did you know that Malaysians are among the top asylum seekers in Australia? Imagine that !!!

Malaysia urges citizens to obey Australian immigration law after report of 33,000 asylum claims

I'm a Malaysian, and I can tell you that most of the claims of my fellow Malaysians were fake. The Australian authorities are not falling for the trick by the Malaysians but they will believe any Uyghur claim because that fits into Australia's anti-China policy. For your information, Australia belongs to the Five Eyes spying alliance, which are all Anglo-Saxon countries that have enacted anti-Chinese immigration laws as far back as the 19th century.

I'm an ethnic Chinese that can understand Mandarin and Cantonese (the dialect spoken in Hong Kong). I can tell you that most Hongkies (you would probably call them as Hong Kongers) have been looking down on their mainland cousins for a very long time, because of how poor and lowly educated they were. But now, they couldn't face up to the fact that the mainlanders have surpassed them in many ways.

In other words, this whole anti-China thing by them is actually a huge denial about the fact that they have lost to the "country bumpkins" across the border and didn't want to be ruled by the mainlanders.

Like Kishore Mahbubani have said: "120 million of Chinese travel overseas as tourists freely each year, and miraculously 120 million of Chinese return to China freely. If China was a Stalinist gulag state, why would anyone go back to China?". Most Chinese have no problem with the Communist authorities.

What do you expect the Chinese government to do when Uyghurs go around committing terrorist acts in Xinjiang and elsewhere in China? To me, the re-education thing is a more viable approach compared to America's "Blast them all to Hell aka Operation Enduring Freedom" approach. China should consider re-education camps for Hongkies too now that the rioters have become terrorists.

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1 hour ago, Selatan said:

China should consider re-education camps for Hongkies too

There you said it. The future for the people of Hong Kong once they are "in" China. 
I can understand that they do not like that future.

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1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

There you said it. The future for the people of Hong Kong once they are "in" China. 
I can understand that they do not like that future.

Did you ever wonder how China got rid of its huge drug addiction problem? You know, the huge problem that was caused by drug pushing by the UK and US on China from the 19th to the 20th century? Yes, the Communists succeeded in eradicating the problem in 3 years after taking over in 1949. Have you ever heard of any other country that had manage to achieve that? Did the Communists kill all the addicts? Nope. 

How Maoist Revolution Wiped Out Drug Addiction in China

If the Last Emperor, Pu Yi, who later became a traitor by becoming the puppet emperor of Manchukuo, could be re-educated and then released and spent his final years as a gardener, don't think the Chinese Communists only believe in killing as the only solution like the cowboys.

On Hong Kong's future, the solution to their problems is adopting the socialist system as practised on the mainland which the Hongkies really hate. Here's a perspective from an American writer who understands Hong Kong:

Some in Hong Kong Feel Frustrated, as Their City is Losing to Mainland China
 

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Hong Kong is losing to Mainland China. Its poverty rates are high, it suffers from corruption and savage capitalism. It is now the most expensive city on earth. People are frustrated, but paradoxically, they are blaming socialist Beijing for their problems, instead of the legacy of British colonialism. ‘Across the line’, Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, Xian and other cities are leaving Hong Kong behind in almost all fields.

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Highly educated and overly-polite Singapore is literally sucking out hundreds of foreign companies from Hong Kong. Its people speak both English and Mandarin. In Hong Kong, great majority speaks only Cantonese. Many foreigners are also relocating to Shanghai. Not only big businesses: Shanghai is now full of European waiters.

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They loosely define communist goals, and then they shout that they are against Communism.

 

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9 hours ago, Selatan said:

On Hong Kong's future, the solution to their problems is adopting the socialist system as practised on the mainland which the Hongkies really hate.


And if the people of Hong Kong don't want that? Then force it on them? Re-education (concentration) camps?

As said earlier, I can fully understand if they don't want that. I wouldn't.

Did you ever read George Orwell's book 1984? You should. It might give you some more ideas.

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