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Roundup ban planned, US says NO

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Thailand intends to ban 3 particularly harmful weed killers but 'our pal' Trump is pressuring them not to.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/10/thailand-pesticides-dow-monsanto-syngenta-trump

Among the 3 is Monsanto’s glyphosate herbicide, otherwise known as 'Roundup'.  In the link above there is a link to an article addresses the Roundup product specifically.

 

I am writing about this because several months ago there was a 'friendly' but heated exchange in this forum on the subject of weed control and Roundup.

 

I am also writing because it is an example of what happens if a country 'cosies up' too much with the US and the Multinationals associated with them.  Not to say that Unilever and Nestles are US companies (?) but they are comfortable there.  They are not nice companies.  They are not your friend.  Enough about them for the moment.  (Different topic).

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It takes balz to stand up to the global bully and the multinational corporations that put profits before everything else.

Stand your ground Thailand.

 

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So we get rid of a weedkiller one day.

The next 2% loans to buy drones for in crop spraying.

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50 minutes ago, rjwill01 said:

I am 72 and used Roundup on my weeds my whole life. It's the best. All these years and never heard of any chemical health problems until now. Today we live in world of whimps. Out of 100's of million users, one person gets sick. In Thailand we live everyday with infested rats and rabies dogs running around, and then us we can't use a proven product for killing weeds.

Meh. That's nothing try smoking instead. 

 

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26 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

So you don't have it, so it doesn't exist, very scientific.

Any proof for your numbers: "Out of 100's of million users, one person gets sick." 

the proof  is in the "probably" as  thats all they have "probably" carcinogenic

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6 minutes ago, Chazar said:

the proof  is in the "probably" as  thats all they have "probably" carcinogenic

So if you still use it you aren't too bright, why would you take the risk.

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1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

So if you still use it you aren't too bright, why would you take the risk.

Haven't you heard of PPE.

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2 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

That's just self-protection.

What about the dangers to the environment as a whole?

I read in another article the fumigants we use to store products are gases that get released into the atmosphere and come down to damage the environment,nothing is being done about that.Not sure where glyphosate comes on the list of bad things we do to the environment.

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Honestly, another topic on this? Oh well, perhaps it is time to get those with "well read" opinions but no involvement to get some skin in the game?

Now, we are talking about use on a farm, several hectares, not just a few weeds in the driveway, got it?

My question is, how much extra would you pay per kilogram for rice or other crops, where a squadron of laborers each with a hoe chipped out the weeds instead?

Don't want to pay, well how about turning a blind eye to a few thousand weed seeds in the next bag of rice you buy?

We "users" of glysophate are concerned about this stuff as much as anybody. To me, there is little evidence that supports residuals when the product is used responsibly at minimum levels, and only once per year before planting. It never touches the crop or the seed unlike GMO modified crops where herbicides are used to "dry out" the crop prior to harvest.

 

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I think its sad that a member can insult other members countries but if were to respond in kind my comment would no doubt be pulled. So much I could say to his characterization but I will leave it. Seems to be no refuge.

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@IsaanAussie

 

Some GMO are designed to be resistant to glyphosate so you can kill weeds and not the crop. Most crop that use glyphosate as a dissecant are not necessarily GMO. I have no idea about Thailand use of glyphosate pre-harvest but that's very common in western country.

 

I understand your point and I already made my choice but I don't expect everyone to grow their own vegetable and buy grass fed beef. Most peoples prefer to buy the cheapest food possible and don't care about potential risk. For this reason I find odd the ban on glyphosate even if I agree with it. I can predict it will be reversed within 1-2 years. 

 

I just watched an interview from an insider in the agroindustry and it reinforced my opinion of not buying processed food. He also share my opinion and buy directly from organic farmer. He said the issue is too big and governement need to keep their eyes closed otherwise the poor couldn't afford food. Unfortunately the interview is in French so I won't post it here. 

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