Alex2015 26 #31 Posted November 14, 2019 On 11/13/2019 at 10:17 AM, Guderian said: Why not, they give them away free in the UK? They are free initially but the cost is being added to your bill over the years, big con, currently the installation bill is £13 billion, the only benefit is for the Utility Companies who can sack all the Meter Readers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopburi3 9,427 #32 Posted November 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said: Unlike water bills which are still in antiquity..... Here in Bangkok the MWA bills are the same was electric - done at location on hand printer after taking the reading and placed in mailbox, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wgdanson 9,189 #33 Posted November 14, 2019 10 hours ago, jacko45k said: It would make people more conscious of their consumption timing. I would adjust my pool pump times to stay on cheap-rate and be less likely to use mid afternoon AC. The TOU (time of use) tarrif looks a lot more expensive than the regular tarrif, just look at the service charge. https://www.pea.co.th/Portals/1/demand_response/Electricity Tariffs Nov61.pdf?ver=2018-11-21-145427-433 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Singhajon 73 #34 Posted November 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Crossy said: It depends, the electronic meters are capable of measuring export power. How they react is down to how they are programmed, they are quite capable of going backwards (net metering). Unfortunately they are also quite capable of ignoring export, or worse, counting export power as consumed power and billing for it! We won't actually know how they behave until someone with solar who is net metering actually gets one. Hopefully that's not going to be us any time soon. Also, there are enough locals doing net metering that there will be a lot of noise made if the new meters don't account for it in the same way as the existing ones. Worst case will mean re-configuring our solar to be hybrid with batteries and "do not export" set Yes I understand how a smart meter can work, its the feed in tariff that's the killer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tifino 8,028 #35 Posted November 14, 2019 The other Concerns I've ever heard raised, is the one about WiFi cnonnectivity! We heard sporadic reports, of individuals being affected by the radiation; namely if the SmartMeter was mounted on the other side of your bedroom... anyhow, 8 years have passed since the Installation, and there is still no Smart Connection over the Net! - just the radiation 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emptypockets 4,245 #36 Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Singhajon said: Yes I understand how a smart meter can work, its the feed in tariff that's the killer How can the feed in tariff be a killer? It can start from zero paid to you and only go up from there. Win no matter what. You're not trying to discuss ROI are you? That's a different discussion completely. Edited November 14, 2019 by emptypockets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guderian 4,255 #37 Posted November 14, 2019 Here's an article from last year, but I'm not much wiser having read it to be honest. https://www.smartcitiesworld.net/news/news/smart-meters-rolled-out-in-thai-city-3041 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMuhammad 1,876 #38 Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) On 11/13/2019 at 2:02 AM, parafareno said: smart meters are a danger, they emit high frequency fields....100 x more than wifi.... I don’t know where you got your info from... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/smart-living/health-benefits/ Edited November 14, 2019 by MadMuhammad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMuhammad 1,876 #39 Posted November 14, 2019 On 11/13/2019 at 8:39 PM, fforest1 said: The Smart Meter subject is a very serious matter....I will not go into it all here but I would not let them put one on my house under any circumstance.... Do you use a mobile phone, a radio, television, computer etc? They produce far more emissions than a smart meters intermittent radio bursts ever would. Smart meters emit 1 million times less radiation than international guidelines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jacko45k 16,118 #40 Posted November 14, 2019 14 hours ago, wgdanson said: The TOU (time of use) tarrif looks a lot more expensive than the regular tarrif, just look at the service charge. https://www.pea.co.th/Portals/1/demand_response/Electricity Tariffs Nov61.pdf?ver=2018-11-21-145427-433 That 312.24 baht appears to be for people with 22kv supplies. Below it show 38.22/month, no big deal. (And the same as my consumption level anyhow per 1.1.2) Pretty sure not many houses will have 22,000 Volts feeding into them! So I am a bit confused by that! (Or am I getting it wrong?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wgdanson 9,189 #41 Posted November 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, jacko45k said: That 312.24 baht appears to be for people with 22kv supplies. Below it show 38.22/month, no big deal. (And the same as my consumption level anyhow per 1.1.2) Pretty sure not many houses will have 22,000 Volts feeding into them! So I am a bit confused by that! (Or am I getting it wrong?) Who knows, TIT. ! LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianthainess 1,388 #42 Posted November 15, 2019 I have seen a few digital meters around but i think that is as smart as it gets, unless the small hand held reader that the meter man uses and prints out the bill somehow can connect to them without physical input. years ago they would read the meter and a few days later come around with the bin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justin case 2,296 #43 Posted November 15, 2019 smart meters and EMF (and cancer) look it up ... it bursts EMF up to 10.000 times per day dna damage, cancer anyone ? extra: can also spy when you are home / not home / etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fforest1 5,612 #44 Posted November 15, 2019 The Smart Meter is heavily tied in with 5G they will both work together to monitor and regulate energy usage from everybody...So make of this what you will.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluesofa 37,723 #45 Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, fforest1 said: The Smart Meter is heavily tied in with 5G they will both work together to monitor and regulate energy usage from everybody...So make of this what you will.... 5G? From what I have seen so far, the spectrum that 5G will operate over in Thailand has only very recently been announced? Did you perhaps mean Wi-Fi? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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