Democrats vow to insulate impeachment inquiry from 'sham investigations'

[Jingthing]

45 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

since the GOP has nothing to support any other defense, they are not questioning the facts, thus the only option available is to follow Trump and shoot in all directions trying to divert peoples focus, typical politics activities, but surely it's sad to see/hear it, mostly from that Ohio guy Jordan, what a piece of s... trying so hard to act/speak like Trump

Yes. It's a truly nauseating situation. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/21/republicans-have-new-enemy-truth-itself/

 

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Republicans have a new enemy: Truth itself

 

At its core, President Trump’s defense in these impeachment proceedings is not a dispute over the facts of the case, the credibility of the witnesses or the motives of Democrats.

 

It is a bid to discredit the truth itself.

 

The Ukraine escapade began, in large part, because Trump pursued a conspiracy theory that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 election to bring about his defeat, a false notion spread by Vladimir ­Putin and ultimately — with the help of Rudy Giuliani and others — embraced by the president himself.

 

 

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, elmrfudd said:

undermining democracy? you mean like trying to oust a legally elected president for 3 years based on phony narratives? 

 

disregard for security of who? the bureaucracies?

Undermining democracy as in asking/blackmailing election assistance from a foreign leader, then attempting to hide the fact by locking up unclassified notes of the phone call in a safe reserved for highly classified information.  The only phony narrative is your description of the actions of the Democrats.

 

Disregarding security as in Trump, after campaigning on the security implications of Hillary Clinton's emails, started revealing classified information to Russia as soon as he was in office, and still refuses to follow proper security protocols.  A State Department investigation (under Trump appointee William Barr) of Hillary Clinton's emails resulted in:

 

" A multiyear State Department probe of emails that were sent to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s private computer server concluded there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees, according to a report submitted to Congress this month."  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-department-probe-of-clinton-emails-finds-no-deliberate-mishandling-of-classified-information/2019/10/18/83339446-f1dc-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html

 

 

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

You think Trump is "undermining" democracy. I think it's democracy in action. Politicians get elected, the opposition exposes and replaces the errant president at the next election, or not. It's the only time the people get to have a say. They had their say when they stopped her becoming president. They should have their say if Trump is guilty or not too. Impeachment should be for really bad things, like leaving a companion to die in a river and walking away without telling anyone.

 

As an aside, weren't you one of those who were outraged about the security implications of Hillary Clinton's emails? 

Nah. I just wanted her locked up for what she did in the past.

I guess I feel about her like you do about Trump.

 

Have a nice day.

Undermining democracy as in inviting illegal foreign interference in our elections.  Politicians need to be elected legally and legitimately.  Don't you agree?

 

Your rationals for impeachment are weak.  Validating suicide bombing as an effective tactic against the US by taking no action against the terror group responsible for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, or selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to illegally fund a murderous Central American revolutionary group--these are the kind of things that should lead to impeachment.

 

Your argument for locking up Hillary Clinton for unspecified reasons illustrates the difference between Trump supporters and Trump opponents:  Trump opponents are using the rule of law, Trump supporters want to ignore it.

[jany123]

On 11/13/2019 at 5:44 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

On the subject of "sham investigations". We all learn recently that the USA threatening to withhold aid to other nations unless they do x,y,z is totally illegal and leads to impeachment for the POTUS. well fair enough, but what this?......

When you provide a link it’s usually best if you actually read it. The very first line of your link says;

 

“Under a 2014 law, Washington must withhold funds if Pakistan doesn’t do enough to disrupt Haqqani network”

 

On 11/13/2019 at 5:44 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

Note. I post this not to make an off topic troll but to prove to the world that US aid is routinely used to pressure the recipient. Something democrats would be wise to consider at this stage.

I call BS.... this example of a threat to withhold aid is an example of the law being followed... the trumps quid pro quo is an example of the law being broken.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, jany123 said:

When you provide a link it’s usually best if you actually read it. The very first line of your link says;

 

“Under a 2014 law, Washington must withhold funds if Pakistan doesn’t do enough to disrupt Haqqani network”

 

I call BS.... this example of a threat to withhold aid is an example of the law being followed... the trumps quid pro quo is an example of the law being broken.

He's been told many times. It will not prevent him to try to sneak in this false equivalence again in a next post.

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, jany123 said:

When you provide a link it’s usually best if you actually read it. The very first line of your link says;

 

“Under a 2014 law, Washington must withhold funds if Pakistan doesn’t do enough to disrupt Haqqani network”

 

I call BS.... this example of a threat to withhold aid is an example of the law being followed... the trumps quid pro quo is an example of the law being broken.

Who are we kidding? 45 loyalists are not swayable. They can't possibly be turned. It's folly to even try. Facts are irrelevant. 

 

A fresh way to look at 45 fans:

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/22/trumps-gop-defenders-cannot-be-shamed-its-time-democrats-try-this-instead/

 

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Trump’s GOP defenders cannot be shamed. It’s time to try this instead.

 

If there is one widely shared conclusion about the impeachment hearings that have just concluded, it’s that President Trump’s GOP defenders were never “gettable.”

This idea has been repeated countless times in recent days, as one monumentally damning revelation after another has been exposed, only to be met by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee with up-is-down denial.

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

He's been told many times. It will not prevent him to try to sneak in this false equivalence again in a next post.

Exactly and such a POV is entirely consistent with the entire 45 movement. All that matters is supporting the leader of the cult of personality. Evidence? Facts? WHO CARES.