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Puuuh, I have a huge problem that it "only" has the .ac wireless networking option. The iPhone11 already comes with the newest version .ax

Yes, ac is still plenty but not quite future proof. I am guessing in about 2 years ax will be the norm and I wouldnt want to upgrade my entire laptop just to get the advanced wireless networking. Having the best possible internet connection is very important to me.

 

This is why 802.11ax would be a must for me:
 

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In a crowded stadium, a busy airport or a packed train with hundreds, even thousands, of end users attempting to stream video at the same time, the system loses efficiency and performance suffers.

The good news is that 802.11ax promises improved performance, extended coverage and longer battery life.  802.11ax can deliver a single stream at 3.5Gbps, and with new multiplexing technology borrowed from the world of LTE cellular, can deliver four simultaneous streams to a single endpoint for a total theoretical bandwidth of an astounding 14Gbps.

 

 

So, huuuuge drawback for me that it only has 802.11ac. Maybe they will "refresh" the lineup in ~6 months or so. But at the moment it is no go for me...unfortunately 😞

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14 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

 

well said fanboy

 

 

 

You are just another "Keyboard-Rambo" . 

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6 hours ago, NiwPix said:

Puuuh, I have a huge problem that it "only" has the .ac wireless networking option. The iPhone11 already comes with the newest version .ax

Yes, ac is still plenty but not quite future proof. I am guessing in about 2 years ax will be the norm and I wouldnt want to upgrade my entire laptop just to get the advanced wireless networking. Having the best possible internet connection is very important to me.

 

This is why 802.11ax would be a must for me:
 

 

So, huuuuge drawback for me that it only has 802.11ac. Maybe they will "refresh" the lineup in ~6 months or so. But at the moment it is no go for me...unfortunately 😞

 

 

apple uses broadcom chips for wifi and seems broadcom has yet to make an ax chip whereas intel does. apple would be hesitant to use the intel ax wifi since they would likely need to give a user upgradeable slot inside the macbook for the intel ax wifi

 

 

 

 

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On 11/14/2019 at 8:59 AM, richard_smith237 said:

there's nothing worse than being in a remote location with no support when your PC craps out (it happened with my two PC laptops before I went Mac).

I think you have got that round the wrong way! Everywhere you can get PC parts even the smallest village store, lots of new and second hand parts at a faction of the price than MAC, my friend crack his screen and can only really get the whole top for his MAC and the price wow! ask a shop just to change the screen and he refused to do it or would have the company take him to court. watch a video and you have to take the whole computer to pieces just to change the top half! A dozen screws and two cables and clip clip you take a cracked screen out of most other makes and a 10 dollar screen pops back in!

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21 minutes ago, phetpeter said:
On 11/14/2019 at 12:59 PM, richard_smith237 said:

there's nothing worse than being in a remote location with no support when your PC craps out (it happened with my two PC laptops before I went Mac).

I think you have got that round the wrong way! Everywhere you can get PC parts even the smallest village store, lots of new and second hand parts at a faction of the price than MAC, my friend crack his screen and can only really get the whole top for his MAC and the price wow! ask a shop just to change the screen and he refused to do it or would have the company take him to court. watch a video and you have to take the whole computer to pieces just to change the top half! A dozen screws and two cables and clip clip you take a cracked screen out of most other makes and a 10 dollar screen pops back in!

 

pc parts are generally much more available and less costly but if the model you have is not commonly sold then parts must be ordered but just abount any pc part can be obtained. parts for my lanovo x1 carbon are not routinely available in thailand because they hardly sell any. anyone can order parts on lenovos website though

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I just got a new 13.3" Pro 16GB RAM and 1 TB SSD and love it. Upgraded from an early 2015 Pro and its great. I could have waited a little longer to upgrade but I was in the states and sent my old 2015 MacBook in for trade in value. 

 

I use my Pro as a "desktop" computer when I'm at home with 2 large external monitors & keyboard. Then unplug it all for traveling. Perfect and for almost 12 years of owning Apple products I have not once had a problem. I can't say the same for the windows PC's I've had previously. 

 

One thing I CAN NOT STAND is the Catalina upgrade. Anyone thinking about the upgrade should wait. Its buggy as hell. 

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49 minutes ago, phetpeter said:

I think you have got that round the wrong way! Everywhere you can get PC parts even the smallest village store, lots of new and second hand parts at a faction of the price than MAC, my friend crack his screen and can only really get the whole top for his MAC and the price wow! ask a shop just to change the screen and he refused to do it or would have the company take him to court. watch a video and you have to take the whole computer to pieces just to change the top half! A dozen screws and two cables and clip clip you take a cracked screen out of most other makes and a 10 dollar screen pops back in!

 

The argument isn't really about availability of replacement parts, its the frequency of stuff breaking and rendering the unit a brick until repairs can be made. Especially for people like me who travel a lot to remote areas and rely on the device as their primary mode of communication/entertainment/work. 

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16 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

The argument isn't really about availability of replacement parts, its the frequency of stuff breaking and rendering the unit a brick until repairs can be made. Especially for people like me who travel a lot to remote areas and rely on the device as their primary mode of communication/entertainment/work. 

the hardware is basically the same nowadays as mac runs on pc(intel) cpu's/hardware and mtbf is about he same also. likely mac owners take better care of their macs since they cost so much.

 

imo mac os is better than windows

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even apple loyalists are unhappy about the "999usd optional stand" for their 5000 usd monitor.  actual ad from msi

 

 

apple stand msi monitor.jpg

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8 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

 

apple uses broadcom chips for wifi and seems broadcom has yet to make an ax chip whereas intel does. apple would be hesitant to use the intel ax wifi since they would likely need to give a user upgradeable slot inside the macbook for the intel ax wifi

 

 

 

 

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Interesting point, but how can the iphone already have the ax chips ( not sure who the maker of the adapter is though )

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34 minutes ago, NiwPix said:

Interesting point, but how can the iphone already have the ax chips ( not sure who the maker of the adapter is though )

 

didnt know that. murata but looks like their ax chipset only supports sdio arm style cpu

 

macbook pro is intel x86 . complex instruction set.  iphone is different architecture

 

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ZTrU9n5o0zk&feature=emb_logo

 

 
 
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Final Thoughts
  • The trackpad can be removed and replaced with very little drama.
  • The processor, RAM, and flash memory are soldered to the logic board. Repairs and upgrades will be impractical at best.
  • The top case assembly, including the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar, is glued together—making all those components impractical to replace separately.
  • The Touch ID sensor doubles as the power switch, and is paired with the T2 chip on the logic board. Fixing a broken power switch may require help from Apple, or a new logic board.

 

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so, there are some reports /reviews starting to surface that lead me to NOT upgrade to this macbook.

Reasons:

- only a 802.11ac network chip...not the ax. So not future proof

- RAM and SSD are soldered on ( probably very difficult to upgrade or replace )

- nothing really new / intuitive with the release except spec upgrade and more screen space

 

I do want to upgrade my 2013 macbook pro and have been waiting for apples latest release, but just feel like it is not future proof enough....so I will skip this one. And since the next upgrade probably will be another year, I will actually look into hackintosh laptops. I havent given it any time or thought yet, but wanting to upgrade and this not being viable, maybe i can find something suitable there.

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1 hour ago, NiwPix said:

there are some reports /reviews starting to surface that lead me to NOT upgrade to this macbook.


the 2013 pro is also soldered 

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As far as I remember, the Rams were soldered ( usually dont go bad or need more than 16gb for several years ) and the SSD was removable ( didnt need to, but was at the limit for quite some time and an upgrade from 512gb to 1tb would be called for if I were to keep the 2013 )

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i choose to own a 2012 macbook pro even though it is heavier than newer ones because hard disk/ssd is standard sata interface. if ssd fails i can just throw a new one in. conversely if macbook dies i can easily unplug ssd and have all me data intact. i also can easily swap current ssd for a larger capacity should i need  in future. on newer macbooks the ssd is soldered on so if it dies must take it to apple to try to recover data if even possible. apple is known to tell customer untruths as it it more profitable for them. example; recover data from dead ipad is impossible per apple BUT ipadrehab etc etc does it 7 days a week with a very high success rate. apple forum moderators delete posts that point this out.

 

another issue is ram failure, not uncommon. if a component of ram fails usually the screen is black; wont post/boot.  have had ram fail twice in a x99 high end system and it was high end ram.

 

lets say you have 64 gig ram macbook pro and one 16 gigabyte chip fails but the the other 48 are fine. macbook can be bricked and the ram cannot just be removed and replaced with a working stick as in older macbooks and most other company laptops.

 

when i bought my 2012 macbook pro it had 4 gigs ram and 320 gigs hard disk.  i replaced to 16 gigs ram and 1 terabyte ssd and given its i7 cpu it flies but cannot edit 8k video.

 

the lg gram 17 has a bigger screen, very thin and light 2.95 lbs opposed to macbook 16" 4.3 lbs, battery lasts just as long or longer, standard ram slots and standard ssd slots

https://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17Z990-RAAS8U1-ultra-slim-laptop .   many expansion slots and thunderbolt 3 so you can use an egpu and edit 8k video.

 

the macbook 16" does have a discreet gpu to its advantage but  multiple other disadvantages.

 

if i were in the market for a larger screen macbook i would likely use an lg gram and install mac os on it and/or dual boot windows/linux/mac

 

  • HDMI (Standard) 
    Yes
    USB 3.0
    3
  • Micro-SD
    Yes
    Headphone Out
    Yes
  • RJ45 Ethernet
    Yes (USB Type C port with RJ45 gender)
    DC-In
    Yes

 

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