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43 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

Is corruption still rampant?

 

If not, what could an agent do if all the rules and conditions are adhered to?

 

Some so-called monthly transfers are suspicious because the money can be recycled by the applicants either inside Thailand or outside Thailand. After all, you need only a maximum of 65k in Thailand at any one time versus 800k.

 

Unless there are other proofs like government pension fund etc, that method might not be acceptable.

 

That's why some immigration officers prefer the 800k method as it is less vulnerable to manipulation. 

 

There are just too many loopholes and immigration is trying to close each one.

An agent relies on personal relationships with I/Os and the flexibility built into the system to accomplish their "magic."  I seriously doubt that Pornthip McGillicuddy could just open an office, call herself a "agent" and expect to do business with Imm.  Agents work apologetically out in the open, they have offices, they advertise. They operate in the midst of official pronouncements to "crack down" on agents. This has been going on for a very long time.  No one can say whether it will continue to in future. 

Maintain your own opinions, make your own evaluations and judgments about the process.  Everyone does, of course.

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58 minutes ago, EricTh said:

In the past, those 'flexibility' means that those agent could get their clients application approved by paying under the table money to some corrupt immigration officers.

 

I thought we have a cleaner immigration nowadays.

We have a lot of  discussion, proclamations and pronouncements about a quote-unquote "cleaner" immigration nowadays. To what extent, if any, that reflects the actual situation on the ground is an entirely different matter.  

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1 hour ago, EricTh said:

In the past, those 'flexibility' means that those agent could get their clients application approved by paying under the table money to some corrupt immigration officers.

 

I thought we have a cleaner immigration nowadays.

I was offered 'an arrangement' by an IO in Udon Thani. And in Nong Khai, a couple of years back, it was a doddle getting anything as long as you purchased some special cream, that she was openly selling over the counter.

 

But, things have moved on. Now virtually all the farang I know use an agent.

 

Have to go with the flow here and ride the waves in Thailand. We are at times, a bit peeved at the goings on here. But on the whole we have to just accept it.

 

The biggest problem for most of us here, is that even after many years we still have that western brain in our heads.

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21 hours ago, Sheryl said:

No, I don't.  Definitely no hospital and no health insurance company.

 

Would not meet the Immigration requirement even if you could find someplace that did this.

Why not? A surety bond is accepted in lieu of insurance in the US. I hope to find an insurance company that would issue a policy based on a surety bond and not based on a yearly premium. 

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16 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Then there are those of us who could bring 800,000 baht to park in a Thai bank but are wiser to leave their money invested for a higher rate of return helping fund our retirement.

i agree with that, I calculate, based on a stable income & growth portfolio (actual), that action would cost 2800 THB / month, taking off my monthly SWIFT transfer charge of 600 baht, it would still be 2200 THB / month (a trip to MAKRO would have to be missed ????)

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20 hours ago, rexall said:

I am not aware that the income must be from a "pension," only that it be from offshore.  Of course, I/O can make up the rules as they go along, but there is nothing official that I know of saying it has to be a pension. I used the income affidavit form the U.S. Embassy for many years, and that letter said only quote-unquote:

"I affirm that I receive a monthly income of $_________________ from sources in the United States..."

"---- or other acceptable income."

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26 minutes ago, billsmart said:

Why not? A surety bond is accepted in lieu of insurance in the US. I hope to find an insurance company that would issue a policy based on a surety bond and not based on a yearly premium. 

Immigration will only accept standard health insurance and from one of 13 pre approved companies. And none of these accept surety bonds or any other deviation from their standard policies.

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31 minutes ago, UKresonant said:

i agree with that, I calculate, based on a stable income & growth portfolio (actual), that action would cost 2800 THB / month, taking off my monthly SWIFT transfer charge of 600 baht, it would still be 2200 THB / month (a trip to MAKRO would have to be missed ????)

Glad to learn there are others making the observation. Contrary to some opinion, there are many working middle class folk from western countries attracted to retiring here, in part, due to being able to afford a better life here than in our home countries. My budget at 2400 USD monthly and can be sustained (currently), forever. Beneficial to me and my Sons and beneficial to Thailand as it is steady income (if they do not put too much of a squeeze on = O-A Visa for 8 years and I cannot conform to insurance requirement.

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26 minutes ago, uffe123 said:

don't know how everyone can put up with all this BS. I had enough of that, and I just come back for a few months out of the year. No hassles 

Because . . . I made a mistake. And, now, I'm sort of stuck. At least short to mid term. But I'm working on escape asap.

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31 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Some provinces have more than one office.

You have to a

 

31 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Some provinces have more than one office.

You have to apply at the Imm office where you reside. However, via an agent, you may apply at/via other offices.

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:28 AM, zydeco said:

Maintaining human dignity and respect for yourself,

When in Rome ... ,
and how much better is it at home wherever that is ??

Having said that, if your dignity is hurt by being friendly to people who do their job, then there is enough sad said ...
 

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:22 PM, bigginhill said:

 

In this scenario that OP has explained, in the complete post, that I read and understood, the IM making this offer to ForMyEgo (or I) would have been perceived welcomely, whereas you would have perceived it as as corruption and insisted that he receive the documents internet, alternatively you would have returned with the said forgotton photos.

 

the officer went beyond his duties and spent his time collecting the file, having the photographs printed and attach that all to the file.

As I understand, it is not possible to submit the documents other then by hand.

Now, let's get to the essence of the matter.

a)
Someone demanding money for doing his job falls under Corruption.
Someone demanding money for facilitating certain actions or influence his or his colleagues' decisions is Corrupt.
b)
Someone providing a service beyond his job is exactly providing that: 
a Service.
It does not impact the decision, just saves a lot of time for the customer.

Moreover this was not a compulsory payment, it was allow me to do it albeit for a compensation, or do it yourself.
 

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7 hours ago, owl sees all said:

 

But, things have moved on. Now virtually all the farang I know use an agent.

living a number of years in the North,
and do not know (of) anyone that uses an agent. 
if paperwork in order, as per immigration website, no problems.
Retirement extension no problem at all.
Marriage extension, 30 days waiting period as prescribed.
First year, was visited to establish we have a De Facto marriage.
Later showed up together at the office,

handed in the paperwork, and that is it.

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There were so many retirees acting all smug and superior over the difficulties in other visa categories, especially those with tourist visas. Now it is hitting you guys too! 

 

There are no reasons for this. No benefits to Thailand, to the contrary! They are acting like Thailand is a rich Australia-like with real problems with visa abusers. They copied the new immigration system from there basically.

 

Even a foreign guy with 20 000 baht per month from abroad earns more than average Thai!

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:28 AM, zydeco said:

Living in servile fear is no way to go through your retirement years. Maintaining human dignity and respect for yourself, to me, is more important than bowing and scraping and hoping some immigration office will have anything but contempt for you because you did so. 

I have never bowed or waied, or even smiled for an Immigration officer. Neither do I wear my Sunday best. They are a bunch of surly (unfriendly) people who don't deserve respect and I won't suck up to them. Hello and thank you is all they get from me. It's quite possible if you act too friendly and personal they won't respect you as it comes across as a sign of weakness.

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:28 AM, zydeco said:

Living in servile fear is no way to go through your retirement years. Maintaining human dignity and respect for yourself, to me, is more important than bowing and scraping and hoping some immigration office will have anything but contempt for you because you did so. 

I think the message here is a stark warning for those considering Thailand as a retirement location.  Factor the anti-foreigner sentiment into your decision before committing.  For those who came years ago to watch as Immigration simply ignores their own police orders and simply do whatever they wish - well, it sucks.

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23 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Can you suggest an agent that is located in Khon Kaen. I suspect not.

I would guess agents are not available at over 90% of immigration offices.

 

mythaivisa com

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1 hour ago, rexall said:

 

mythaivisa com

Still only located where one immigration office is at and it is not  Khoen Kean.

Risky using such agents due to them processing the extension at a different office than where you live.

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On 11/14/2019 at 11:25 PM, PatOngo said:

What is disturbing is people who think they can retire but can't scrape together 800,000 baht!

What is surprising is Thailand won't let you show you make 65,000 / mo. Without putting it in a Thai back. And the people that actually put up with that nonsense.

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3 minutes ago, garyk said:

What is surprising is Thailand won't let you show you make 65,000 / mo. Without putting it in a Thai back. And the people that actually put up with that nonsense.

They WANT to live here and of course need some money to live off anyhow. 

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2 hours ago, rexall said:

Part of the problem with these discussions is that people who have happy-successful experiences with I/Os generalize and presume that their experiences is reflective of everyone else's experience. They assume, therefore, that the applicant who was unsuccessful must have done something "wrong."   That is not necessarily the case at all.  And the same sort of over-generalizing goes on  those who have unhappy experiences. Hopefully, discussions like this can sort through some of that "noise" and ultimately provide information that is useful.  

You got me confused.

Was just noting that in a certain part of the country, I did not encounter issues. 

While reading attentively, you will find the post says just that.

 

Generalisation, indeed, on your part, and my suggestion is to post it under answer to the topic.

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1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

They WANT to live here and of course need some money to live off anyhow. 

True, But let’s face it. It is strictly a money grab. Good business model, if you have enough people that will fall in line.

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27 minutes ago, KKr said:

You got me confused.

Was just noting that in a certain part of the country, I did not encounter issues. 

While reading attentively, you will find the post says just that.

 

Generalisation, indeed, on your part, and my suggestion is to post it under answer to the topic.

You said "if paperwork in order, as per immigration website, no problems.
Retirement extension no problem at all."   If you were referring to your experience only, that was not clear..

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2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Still only located where one immigration office is at and it is not  Khoen Kean.

Risky using such agents due to them processing the extension at a different office than where you live.

The agent I mentioned operates in Khon Kaen and deals with the Khon Kaen Imm. office.
However, I agree with the basic point. I would not feel comfortable using an agent unless I could get the extension from my local Imm office.  That may not be an issue for others.
 

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