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11 minutes ago, elviajero said:

In the opinion of the UK/US embassies there is. End of.

I very much doubt that it's the opinion of the UK embassy. Just an exercise in downsizing. Not the opinion of the 80 other embassys that continue to produce the letters either.

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Just now, DannyCarlton said:

As I've said a number of times, those wanting to game the system didn't forge a sheaf of documents, they just paid an agent. Easier and much safer.

Entirely disagree. Those skint guys can save 25k they will because they've obviously no money from get go.

 

I'm sure there are some* that actually do have an income stream but they constantly have problems getting the money here on time bc they don't have 65k income. Further it's not arriving exactly as they need it to in their own personal little self absorbed dream world.

 

Anyway it looks like you're all going home apparently because you cannot manage the technical aspects of the extension requirements. Namely getting your money into the bank on time.

 

The question is really moot is it not?

 

800k in the bank - welcome

 

Another whinging thread.

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1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Anyway it looks like you're all going home apparently because you cannot manage the technical aspects of the extension requirements. Namely getting your money into the bank on time.

Always managed to get my 65k in the bank on time. Just waiting for the last one to hit my Thai bank account as we speak. Will be applying for my extension next month. Will put the 800k in the bank if it doesn't pan out but I really don't want to. The whole process is just much more inconvenient than the simple process of obtaining an embassy letter.

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18 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I very much doubt that it's the opinion of the UK embassy. Just an exercise in downsizing. Not the opinion of the 80 other embassys that continue to produce the letters either.

And the US embassy was "downsizing" too? 

 

Both had a very simple system that required very little man power effort. Verifying the income is a whole new ball game.

 

It's probably no more than 20 or so 'western' embassies that get involved with producing these letters. And most of those 20 don't have anywhere near the numbers the UK/US embassy process.

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Just now, elviajero said:

And the US embassy was "downsizing" too? 

The US embassy was the original target for the TI declaration. They were aware that numbers of US citizens had made ficticious declarations regarding their incomes. This was evidenced by a number of reports from IOs, Chaing Mai in the main but others too, that US citizens bringing in their affidavits to apply for their extensions were increasingly being asked to provide further evidence of income. AFAIAA this only happened to US citizens and started even before TI made the declaration. Never heard of even one Brit being asked to provide further evidence of income. Clearly TI were quite happy with British income letters.

 

So don't blame us scummy Brits for this, blame the scamming Americans.

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14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It's probably no more than 20 or so 'western' embassies that get involved with producing these letters. And most of those 20 don't have anywhere near the numbers the UK/US embassy process.

Whether it's 80 or 20 embassys involved and no matter how many letters they process, they haven't changed their verification methods since the TI announcement. We have already heard from one poster whose embassy still uses the stautary declaration method.

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On 11/16/2019 at 2:57 PM, elviajero said:

Because they are prepared to confirm that they’ve confirmed the income.
 

The British embassy are not willing to verify the income — as required by immigration; therefore, they’re not prepared to provide a letter to immigration stating they have.

Solution could be that the embassy issues the letter if their citizens support them with valid documents from their source of income?

 

This would be the correct way. But I suppose most of them who complain would not be happy with that solution, because they don't have the requested income.

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15 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

Solution could be that the embassy issues the letter if their citizens support them with valid documents from their source of income?

 

This would be the correct way. But I suppose most of them who complain would not be happy with that solution, because they don't have the requested income.

This is how it was always done with the British Embassy. Those that didn't have the income always used an agent (and still do).

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:57 PM, elviajero said:

Because they are prepared to confirm that they’ve confirmed the income.
 

The British embassy are not willing to verify the income — as required by immigration; therefore, they’re not prepared to provide a letter to immigration stating they have.

And how does an Embassy do that in 10 minutes?  My cousin walked into the Chinese Embassy and came out in 10 minutes 3 minutes of that time he said he had to us the bathroom?🤣 

I use to help out family business with loans it took at least a week to do a credit check and verify income,  even if not ten minutes 15 minutes top?  What is correct something does smell?

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Interestingly, my 2016,7+8 requests for "income letter" from the British Embassy had to be accompanied by;

1. A current letter from my pension provider confirming the annual/monthly pension amount. 

2. Copies of my UK bank account for the previous three months showing receipt of said pension. 

 

Was that not a comprehensive validation? 

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34 minutes ago, GordonP said:

Interestingly, my 2016,7+8 requests for "income letter" from the British Embassy had to be accompanied by;

1. A current letter from my pension provider confirming the annual/monthly pension amount. 

2. Copies of my UK bank account for the previous three months showing receipt of said pension. 

 

Was that not a comprehensive validation? 

So if I have many investment rentals what do I show to the UK embassy.

Rental returns with bank records showing real estate agent deposits into my bank would mean what exactly. 

Perhaps they are all mortgaged to the max. Perhaps all have zero debt.

What next....my tax return?

Capital depreciation allowance can wipe off actual income of 5kusd per property. Oh how I wish I could possess a pension. Sadly only available for poor folk.

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2 hours ago, Number 6 said:

They got tired of lying. Is that not clear? It's totally clear to me.

 

The embassy needs to at least outwardly have some even a modicum of integrity.

 

Maybe all the loudmouths ruined it. Guffawing about scoring letters every year when it was all just a big rub and tug.

Why lie ?


An embassy may choose formal elements to validate the income letters. For example, mine requires the tax notice, which excludes hidden or unreported income. It takes 1 minute charged 30€ and everyone is happy.

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On 11/15/2019 at 11:52 PM, Matzzon said:

Oh dear, for crying out load! It´s an Embassy that represents UK in a foreign country. They are not there to create a better life for UK citizens that wish to settle down in Thailand.

They are there for exactly the main reasons the man is kindly expressing, as well as creating, develop and maintain the diplomatic relationship between UK and Thailand.

It´s horrendous! First you all complain about Thai Immigration and they are so bad. When that doesn´t work. Yeah, then you are looking down at your own Embassy that represents your own country in Thailand.

Whenever will you people come to the conclusion that you might be wrong instead of Thai Immigration, your Embassy and everything else you can look down on and shuffle the blame to?

I agree it is called saving money for retirement.  Leave your parents after your education and youth, Get a job, save some money so one day you don’t have to work. Spend less than you make when you work. Don’t rely on governments or others to take care of you.  If you don’t have enough money in retirement then accept you screwed up and if possible get a job.
 

Thailand is not your home birth country and never will be unless you make the effort to become a Thai permanent resident or citizen. I don’t care how many Thai wives and Thai kids you chose to have and pay for you are still and always will be an immigrant temporarily staying in a foreign country. The Thai government has told you that every year you get an extension of stay. No one lied or deceived you and no one is to blame for where you are right now and where you will wake up tomorrow.  
 

Apologize to the men and women on this forum who do not need this information as they have a nice retirement. 
 

 But clearly a lot of posters think they are victims and are entitled to special treatment because they are barely surviving financially in a foreign country and others are to blame for their life choices. 

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20 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

So if I have many investment rentals what do I show to the UK embassy.

Rental returns with bank records showing real estate agent deposits into my bank would mean what exactly. 

Perhaps they are all mortgaged to the max. Perhaps all have zero debt.

What next....my tax return?

Capital depreciation allowance can wipe off actual income of 5kusd per property. Oh how I wish I could possess a pension. Sadly only available for poor folk.

If you are so rich (?) you have placed 800,000 in deposit and so this thread is not for you...

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1 minute ago, Victornoir said:

Why lie ?


An embassy may choose formal elements to validate the income letters. For example, mine requires the tax notice, which excludes hidden or unreported income. It takes 1 minute charged 30€ and everyone is happy.

No. Obviously the embassy is not happy with it or theyd still be doing it.

 

Most of it is lies.

 

The rest of it is paper pushing, bureaucratic BS which they don't want to deal with. No one at the embassy wants to do this work. Are you surprised? They practice diplomac6and statecraft not hand holding and ass wiping.

 

You're here. You want to stay here? It's super ez as the British embassy knows. Put 800k in the bank.

 

It's done. Shall we just end the thread and discussion?

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