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Embassy Explanation for Ceasing Immigration letters

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13 hours ago, evadgib said:

'The Embassy aint doing Nuffink' rolls off the keyboard a little too easily whenever expectation exceeds reality.

I see. It's all highly "hush-hush." Actions being taken to improve our lot that we are not in a position to understand or we are too dense to understand. Alright, then, can someone please name something that our embassies have done over the past five to ten years to make our lives easier, either with Thai Immigration or dealing with the embassies themselves? 

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1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Aside from that I do not believe that embassies are equipped or qualified to check and verify incomes. 

Well, I'm sure that you'll find the 80+ embassies in Bangkok who still offer an income confirmation service to their nationals disagreeing with you! And, if the Immigration Bureau had any doubts about their income checking and verification capabilities, they would surely have pulled the embassy income confirmation option altogether in issuing Police Order 35/2561 and instead made everyone using the 65k method go down the monthly Thai bank account transfer route instead regardless of nationality, wouldn't they?

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Just now, OJAS said:

Well, I'm sure that you will find the 80+ embassies in Bangkok who still offer an income confirmation service to their nationals disagreeing with you! And, if the Immigration Bureau had any doubts about their income checking and verification capabilities, they would surely have pulled the embassy income confirmation option in issuing Police Order 35/2561 and instead made everyone using the 65k method go down the monthly Thai bank account transfer route instead regardless of nationality, wouldn't they?

What do the embassies check? How do they confirm it? Verify it?.

Oh I forgot, they have a stamp.

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On 11/15/2019 at 8:07 PM, mikebell said:

I should also note that there has been no change in the financial requirement for Thai visa applications and extensions since this aspect of the Immigration Act came into effect in 2006.

I think it is a thoughtful letter and kind of surprising you got this response from them.  The only thing I think is wrong is this one sentence I have quoted from it.  But I suppose he only meant the monthly income method.

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3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Oh I forgot, they have a stamp.

Which seems perfectly acceptable to the Immigration Bureau in the case of at least 80 embassies at any rate!

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1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

British Embassy income letters were verified. US affidavits and Aus stat decs weren't.

Not doubting you, but just wondering exactly how did the British Embassy verify income? Did they contact the private pension providers? Did they contact the gov't pension agencies or the financial institutions? Or, did they only review the pension & income documents that was provided by the expats requesting the income letters?

 

The US embassy never verified income and refused to even look at the pension letter issued by my employer. They only notarized an affidavit which was just a sworn statement.

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I have not read all of the posts, just first and last 2 pages, but it seems to me that the OP has a valid reason to go back again for a further 'bite at the cherry'.

 

The letter from the Embassy states: "..........the drivers for the decision to cease providing income verification letters was that the British Embassy is unable to verify the various incomes of British Nationals......"

 

I believe that the response to that statement by the Embassy can be as follows:  "Please advise what documentation and/or information does the Embassy require in order to verify the income of a British National".  Perhaps a letter from the UK Pension Department? A statement from a Bank? A statement from a Superannuation/Pension fund?

 

My point is that the Embassy has unilaterally decided that all UK Nationals have been lying in their Statutory Declaration Letters that the Embassy signed/witnessed.  That in itself should result in a formal complaint to the UK Foreign Affairs Department, but in the meantime I think it is a valid question to ask what they need to verify any UK National's Statement of their annual income.  To state unilaterally that all UK Nationals are liars and therefore they refuse to sign/witness any 'Income Letter' statement, is unacceptable in my opinion and should be challenged.

 

Clearly the Thai Government has pressured the UK, USA and Australian Embassies into stopping the signing of statutory declarations made by their Nationals/Citizens that they cannot verify.  OK then - what do they need to verify those Statements is the next question.

 

I do not know about UK Laws, but in Australia it is a Federal Offence to lie in a Statutory Declaration. But also, the Laws clearly stated to a JP that: "If you have personal knowledge that material in the document is false, then you should decline to witness it. Remember that you may not refuse to witness a document simply because you do not agree with the contents or the law under which the document is framed."  An Australian JP is not allowed to refuse to witness a statement, just because they do not agree with the contents of the statement.

 

I do not need these 'income letters' anymore, but if I did I would certainly be taking the matter further and higher.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Please advise what documentation and/or information does the Embassy require in order to verify the income of a British National".

The British Embassy always provided this information and British citizens complied with it.

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I am waiting to see the results of the forthcoming GE before deciding on my next move one thing is for sure I will be moving to another country once I have tied all the loose ends up .Thailand has lost the appeal it once had .

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6 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

I am waiting to see the results of the forthcoming GE before deciding on my next move one thing is for sure I will be moving to another country once I have tied all the loose ends up .Thailand has lost the appeal it once had .

Name that country.

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11 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The British Embassy always provided this information and British citizens complied with it.

Interesting - they stated in the letter that they cannot veriofy the information is correct, but they required proof of some sort.  So I guess the question is - can a British JP at the British Embassy refuse to sign a Stautory Declaration.

 

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4 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Interesting - they stated in the letter that they cannot veriofy the information is correct, but they required proof of some sort.  So I guess the question is - can a British JP at the British Embassy refuse to sign a Stautory Declaration.

 

It wouldn't be accepted by Thai Immigration. Also the British embassy discontinued a bunch of other notary services at the same time. Coincidence that they were also downsizing to a new, much smaller embassy with fewer staff at the same time?

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20 hours ago, elviajero said:

It doesn't really matter what the letters say. The arrangement immigration have with the embassies is that they "verify" the income. The only way to truly verify the income is to get confirmation direct from the source of the income.

That's not what TI asked for and it's not what other embassies that still provide letters do.

 

 

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