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I think the OP has no clue as to what purpose an embassy serves. I'm certain they had a good laff about all the income the embassy was abdicating.

 

I'm baffled why is it so hard for people 10-20 years older than me, a lifetime to save, many never married and childless. Supposedly flush pension.

 

Can't bank the 800k? 

 

I could literally save that while teaching English here starting at zero in two years. Maybe 18 months and without overtime or weekends.

 

Stop crying and just put the money in the bank. When will this topic cease.

 

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On 11/16/2019 at 11:21 AM, UncleMhee said:

A whole lot of prefabricated pollywaffle; just as I'd also expect to hear from the Australian Embassy.

You would never get such a comprehensive explanation from the Australian Embassy.

 

What is the "polly waffle"? They can't give citizen's personal income details to 3rd parties (Thai government). That's out of the hands of the British Embassy. Their decision seems quite reasonable.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, evadgib said:

'Stat Dec's' have to be signed in the presence of the person doing the authenticating. Resorting to mail was a nice little earner for as long as it lasted but came unstuck when the host nation tried to strong-arm Embassies into acting as guarantors. Data protection regs in the real world rendered them unable to comply which in turn lead to the current fiasco.

Totally wrong.


My consulate always certifies my income with the following formula:


Upon his/her request, the above mentioned citizen has declared that his/her monthly revenue are: ................ thb


Imigration requires nothing more.


The excuse of impossible verification is therefore fallacious.

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1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

Actually the word used in the police order is to certify  incomewhich can be done by an applicant self certifying that the information they are attesting to is correct.  The other approximate 80 Embassies who provide letters normally view a few documents the applicant presents and has the applicant take an Oath that it is true under penalty of perjury.

No it doesn't; it states "evidence of". And there is no mention in the police order or being able to evidence the income via a letter from your embassy!

 

Someone walking into a US embassy and signing an affidavit claiming x income is not evidence.

 

The Oaths are meaningless. The embassy don't care whether you're lying to a foreign state and Thailand don't check with the source. And on the rare occasion that immigration do ask the applicant for back up proof the applicant can simply withdraw their application.

 

Immigration rules are that the applicant proves their income. The embassy therefore has a duty to get evidence of that income at the very least. And the only way you can truly verify an income is from its source.

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Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Don't want to for a variety of reasons.

Then I guess you get to go home. But in the end the variety of reasons really boils down to one. I mean if you had a million pounds it wouldn't be an issue right.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Totally wrong.


My consulate always certifies my income with the following formula:


Upon his/her request, the above mentioned citizen has declared that his/her monthly revenue are: ................ thb


Imigration requires nothing more.


The excuse of impossible verification is therefore fallacious.

555. A self declaration is not evidence/proof/verification of anything.

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1 minute ago, elviajero said:

Immigration rules are that the applicant proves their income. The embassy therefore has a duty to get evidence of that income at the very least. And the only way you can truly verify an income is from its source.

Which is what we did by sending official documentation to the British Embassy as proof of income. TI has never mentioned proof of income from source. Not required as the 80 embassies that still produce income letters can vereify.

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3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

No it doesn't; it states "evidence of". And there is no mention in the police order or being able to evidence the income via a letter from your embassy!

 

Someone walking into a US embassy and signing an affidavit claiming x income is not evidence.

 

The Oaths are meaningless. The embassy don't care whether you're lying to a foreign state and Thailand don't check with the source. And on the rare occasion that immigration do ask the applicant for back up proof the applicant can simply withdraw their application.

 

Immigration rules are that the applicant proves their income. The embassy therefore has a duty to get evidence of that income at the very least. And the only way you can truly verify an income is from its source.

It was all cool until it wasn't.

 

I used to just think the whole letter thing was total whale poop. I absolutely knew and would have gambled that one day it would end because everyone knew it was such a joke.

 

That's another reason why I'm so surprised the whiners and complainers not letting this thing go.

 

And the request for other individuals pension information, best laff all day sure.

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2 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Then I guess you get to go home. But in the end the variety of reasons really boils down to one. I mean if you had a million pounds it wouldn't be an issue right.

 

 

Yes it would. I use the 65k baht monthly deposits as proof of income, which is much more of an inconvenience than applying by post for an embassy letter once yearly.

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4 minutes ago, elviajero said:

555. A self declaration is not evidence/proof/verification of anything.

TI are happy with it.

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5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yes it would. I use the 65k baht monthly deposits as proof of income, which is much more of an inconvenience than applying by post for an embassy letter once yearly.

A bird went in search of a cage - Kafka

 

Maybe while you're still here study a bit of Buddhism. Learn to simplify your life. The freedom it brings. You're your own little maelstrom. That line from the Joker making plans comes to mind. You're retired but with all this confusion and little planning. Must be tough to be you.

 

But honestly I just think you don't have the money.

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11 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Totally wrong.

It was factually correct regardless.

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1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

TI are happy with it.

Indeed, we Belgians residing in Pattaya have the choice :

 

An Affidavit at the Belgian embassy Bangkok : no need to proof anything. 

One just declare his monthly income. 

 

A "Letter of Income" at the Austrian Consulate : copy or original official papers has to be presented. 

 

So far the Affidavit and L.o.I. has been accepted at Jomtien Immigration. 

 

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An affidavit is a type of verified statement or showing, or in other words, it contains a verification, meaning it is under oath or penalty of perjury. 

In the UK a person convicted of perjury is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years, or to a fine, or to both. (The Perjury Act 1911, the Criminal Justice Act 1948)

 

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