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10 hours ago, Jeffrey346 said:

Chromecast can only stream from your phone or PC. It has no capability to stream content on it's own.

 

So from where do you stream if not from a PC or phone ?!

 

 

 

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Bought a Roku stick in USA and registered it there.

 

Brought it to Thailand and found it all but useless. Nearly every channel I clicked was "not available in your country". I suspect this will be true for many users wanting content from their homeland who are using a Thai ISP.

 

Because it only connects via Wi-Fi it must believe you are not in Thailand.

 

I bought a Asus router and installed a new firmware image provided by EXPRESSVPN, my VPN provider of many years.

 

Connected to any of their servers in America and problem solved.

 

Now all my web Wi-Fi traffic goes thru that router with all the advantages of a VPN.

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13 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Bought a Roku stick in USA and registered it there.

 

Brought it to Thailand and found it all but useless. Nearly every channel I clicked was "not available in your country". I suspect this will be true for many users wanting content from their homeland who are using a Thai ISP.

 

Because it only connects via Wi-Fi it must believe you are not in Thailand.

 

I bought a Asus router and installed a new firmware image provided by EXPRESSVPN, my VPN provider of many years.

 

Connected to any of their servers in America and problem solved.

 

Now all my web Wi-Fi traffic goes thru that router with all the advantages of a VPN.

According to the Roku burb on Amazon, a Roku stick can be taken anywhere in the world when you're traveling and just hook it up to wi-fi,

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On 11/19/2019 at 2:32 PM, giddyup said:

Only bought it yesterday, so will see if have a customs problem or not. https://www.amazon.com/

 

There was a post here lately of someone who bought a Fire streaming device from Amazon U.S. and had Amazon Global shipping send it here via UPS... only to have Thai customs seize it for not having the required NBTC import license.

 

My advice to that poster would be the same as I'd give here - Fire devices are great streaming devices and will be on big sale for Black Friday via Amazon next week. But DON'T have them shipped to Thailand via Amazon global shipping. Have someone in the U.S. send it to you via regular USPS postal mail that will get delivered here by Thai Post. Or use a reshipping service that uses USPS or regular airmail. And you'll be fine.

 

But avoid DHL, FedEx and UPS like the plague for this particular kind of package, whether it be a Fire device or Roku, since they're both viewed as the same by Thai Customs.

 

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Just now, giddyup said:

According to the Roku burb on Amazon, a Roku stick can be taken anywhere in the world when you're traveling and just hook it up to wi-fi,

Very true. As I stated, it worked as advertised and gave me a great channel lineup. Then I tried to activate them and found the truth.

 

What I'm telling you is that the channel lineup you get is based on where you live, which is derived from your IP address which is what your ISP gives you. That is your connection to the web.

 

Your Thai ISP will give you a Thai IP address and the Roku will gleefully restrict what channels are available.

 

I'm not blowing smoke. Roku was a bust for me until I got the router with internal VPN which have me a USA IP address.

 

Go ahead and buy one. Then when you learn the truth you can buy a $150 router and get a VPN subscription.

 

Better yet call Roku support and let them explain country restrictions to you.

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On 11/19/2019 at 3:36 PM, johng said:

There may be customs problems , to "import the equipment" you're supposed to have a licence !  :w00t:  :cheesy:  👎

setop box law 35.PDF 35.44 kB · 2 downloads

 

 

 

The problem with that is, and this is from people who have tried, the NBTC wants details re the device as part of the license application that no retail buyer is going to know or have, or have a way to know or have, prior to receiving the device, such as individual item serial numbers and such. So in effect, they've made it virtually impossible for any retail buyer/importer to comply with their requirement, even if the buyer wanted to!

 

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On 11/20/2019 at 6:14 PM, Tayaout said:

What is killing it for Amazon sometimes is the shipping. It's way more expensive if the item is heavy or bulky. 

 

Yes, but personal electronics items like cell phones, tablets, cameras, streaming sticks/boxes usually are pretty light and can be shipped here from the U.S. relatively inexpensively.

 

I buy from Amazon U.S. regularly for all kinds of low-weight things, especially personal electronics. And rare is the day when my total cost via Amazon is more than what I'd pay for the equivalent item here. And a lot of the time, the equivalent item isn't even available directly here, such as with the Fire TV devices.

 

All my stuff goes thru a U.S. reshipping service that receives my Amazon orders and then sends them onward to me here in Thailand. For that service, I'm paying a mailout fee of $2 per package and usually a postage rate of between $8 and $10 U.S. per pound. With small personal electronics items usually running in the 1 to 2 pound range.

 

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3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yes, but personal electronics items like cell phones, tablets, cameras, streaming sticks/boxes usually are pretty light and can be shipped here from the U.S. relatively inexpensively.

 

I buy from Amazon U.S. regularly for all kinds of low-weight things, especially personal electronics. And rare is the day when my total cost via Amazon is more than what I'd pay for the equivalent item here. And a lot of the time, the equivalent item isn't even available directly here, such as with the Fire TV devices.

 

All my stuff goes thru a U.S. reshipping service that receives my Amazon orders and then sends them onward to me here in Thailand. For that service, I'm paying a mailout fee of $2 per package and usually a postage rate of between $8 and $10 U.S. per pound. With small personal electronics items usually running in the 1 to 2 pound range.

 

Why not have Amazon ship them themselves??

I am not being critical. I simply don't know. Is your way better?

I have never ordered from Amazon while in Thailand. I travel back and forth between Thailand and the US often enough to bring whatever I need with me, but come April-May  I am retiring and will be spending longer lengths of time in Thailand.  

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16 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Why not have Amazon ship them themselves??

I am not being critical. I simply don't know. Is your way better?

I have never ordered from Amazon while in Thailand. I travel back and forth between Thailand and the US often enough to bring whatever I need with me, but come April-May  I am retiring and will be spending longer lengths of time in Thailand.  

 

I don't use Amazon Global shipping and instead use a reshipper because...

--I have access to the entire Amazon online inventory, not just the smaller selection that somehow are approved for international shipping.

--I'm an Amazon Prime U.S. member, so I never have any Amazon shipping charges for domestic shipping.

--I never pay any Thai customs duty for anything I order, because of the customs exemption for individual shipments valued at 1500 baht or under

--I almost never pay any VAT, except for rarer high value items that get VAT'd by ThaiPost.

--my actual postage only rates are as low or lower than Amazon's.

--I never have to worry about being extorted by UPS, FedEx or DHL.

 

But just to be clear, as I said above, I'm generally ordering small low weight things that are easily and inexpensively shipped like personal electronics, health/beauty products and various food/cooking items. I'm not trying to send motorcycle engines or water pumps or air purifiers thru the mail.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Very true. As I stated, it worked as advertised and gave me a great channel lineup. Then I tried to activate them and found the truth.

 

What I'm telling you is that the channel lineup you get is based on where you live, which is derived from your IP address which is what your ISP gives you. That is your connection to the web.

 

Your Thai ISP will give you a Thai IP address and the Roku will gleefully restrict what channels are available.

 

I'm not blowing smoke. Roku was a bust for me until I got the router with internal VPN which have me a USA IP address.

 

Go ahead and buy one. Then when you learn the truth you can buy a $150 router and get a VPN subscription.

 

Better yet call Roku support and let them explain country restrictions to you.

 

Its pretty well known about all this. Thats why when you read threads like this everyone always mentions VPN's. You can watch Netflix on it but its a paid subscription, like everything else. If im not mistaken Roku is one of the boxes that does not have VPN app support on the device itself. 

 

It really takes alot of reading or wasting money before people workout the best way for them to watch tv. I use a Nivida Shield box that has very good processing power and VPN Apps are available for download on the device itself - no need for a router. 

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3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I don't use Amazon Global shipping and instead use a reshipper because...

--I have access to the entire Amazon online inventory, not just the smaller selection that somehow are approved for international shipping.

--I'm an Amazon Prime U.S. member, so I never have any Amazon shipping charges for domestic shipping.

--I never pay any Thai customs duty for anything I order, because of the customs exemption for individual shipments valued at 1500 baht or under

--I almost never pay any VAT, except for rarer high value items that get VAT'd by ThaiPost.

--my actual postage only rates are as low or lower than Amazon's.

--I never have to worry about being extorted by UPS, FedEx or DHL.

 

 

To be fair I have ordered multiple times from amazon and had it delivered here direct and never paid customs nor had any delay. Its not unusual for me to spend $1k at a time. 

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4 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Its pretty well known about all this. Thats why when you read threads like this everyone always mentions VPN's. You can watch Netflix on it but its a paid subscription, like everything else. If im not mistaken Roku is one of the boxes that does not have VPN app support on the device itself. 

 

 

Those are two of the main differences IMHO between Fire devices and Roku devices (and I own and have used both):

 

With Fire devices, you're pretty much free to use and install any app from the Android world, and that includes apps for most of the major VPN services.

 

With Roku devices, you're pretty much limited to what Roku gives you and private channels, and basically have no ability to install anything else. And that includes, no ability to install any VPN service on the Roku device itself.

 

In the U.S., I wouldn't see those issues as such big impediments for the Roku devices. But in Thailand, IMHO, those issues are killers for Roku, unless...

--your tech savvy enough to know how to use the VPN alternatives that can work with Roku.

--you don't really care much about U.S. origin content, and are content with the international offerings that you can get with a Roku used here with a Thai ISP address.

 

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4 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

To be fair I have ordered multiple times from amazon and had it delivered here direct and never paid customs nor had any delay. Its not unusual for me to spend $1k at a time. 

 

You're paying Customs duty upfront/in advance as a deposit that's included with your Amazon purchase, assuming you're having them ship the items direct to Thailand.

 

In my case, I'm paying no customs duty to anyone, period.

 

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6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

--I never pay any Thai customs duty for anything I order, because of the customs exemption for individual shipments valued at 1500 baht or under

Thank you for your whole reply,all good points. I just quoted this part because I have a question concerning the value claimed.

How do you establish the shipment value with Thai customs so that you don't pay duty?

4 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

To be fair I have ordered multiple times from amazon and had it delivered here direct and never paid customs nor had any delay. Its not unusual for me to spend $1k at a time.

Good to know.

I love the convenience of Amazon, not only because I don't have to go out looking for the product, but because I have such a wide selection to choose from. If i want an electric can opener and go to the store, I will probably find two or three choices if I am lucky. On Amazon there are hundreds of choices. 

In the US it is not unusual for as to have a delivery almost every day.

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13 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Thank you for your whole reply,all good points. I just quoted this part because I have a question concerning the value claimed.

How do you establish the shipment value with Thai customs so that you don't pay duty?

Good to know.

I love the convenience of Amazon, not only because I don't have to go out looking for the product, but because I have such a wide selection to choose from. If i want an electric can opener and go to the store, I will probably find two or three choices if I am lucky. On Amazon there are hundreds of choices. 

In the US it is not unusual for as to have a delivery almost every day.

 

With a U.S. reshipping service like Planet Express or Shipito, the customer is responsible for filling out their own customs declaration online, including describing the items and listing a fair valuation. And as I said above, if you know what you're doing, you pretty much can avoid Thai Customs entirely if you keep individual package valuations under $50 or so.

 

I can't speak to how that works with Amazon Global because I've never used them, other than knowing that Amazon determines a Customs amount in advance and includes that as part of your purchase price. And they guarantee you won't be charged anything additional on the Thai end. But you will pay some Customs amount pretty much each and every time on the front end with Amazon.

 

If you order something thru some other online retailer and they send the items to Thailand via private couriers like FedEx and DHL, the courier services have their own customs houses here that process the packages, and make their own determinations of what duty rate to charge and how to value the items, which can at times have no relationship to what your actual purchase price was.

 

They decide what they think it's worth, and good luck challenging them.  And then, they base the duty charged not just on what you paid but instead on the sum of the items' value PLUS an insurance charge PLUS the shipping cost itself, otherwise known as CIF. Which can really get to be a wallet killer in their hands.

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