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2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

With a U.S. reshipping service like Planet Express or Shipito, the customer is responsible for filling out their own customs declaration online, including describing the items and listing a fair valuation.

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Question: usually when I  receive a package from Amazon there is no invoice in the box.

 When you order something from Amazon I assume you have it shipped directly to your Re-shipper, and they forward it to you. 

How do they know what the value of an item is? and if the value is greater than the 1500 baht exclusion do you pay duty only on the difference? 

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29 minutes ago, sirineou said:

You are a treasure trove of good information, You should be proud to know that I have saved more than one of your posts for future reference.

Question: usually when I  receive a package from Amazon there is no invoice in the box.

 When you order something from Amazon I assume you have it shipped directly to your Re-shipper, and they forward it to you. 

How do they know what the value of an item is? and if the value is greater than the 1500 baht exclusion do you pay duty only on the difference? 

 

My experience with Amazon is a bit different about that.. Usually for my packages these days, I do get a very small, thin sheet of paper that has all the order details and pricing info on it inside the box. It's so small, it's easy to miss it entirely.  At least, that's for items ordered and bought directly from Amazon... I'm not sure about items sent by 3rd party sellers on Amazon, since I'm not buying from them as often.

 

But yes, re your question, I send my Amazon orders to my reshipper's address, enter my own customs info online into their system, and then they send the box onward. They don't open it or do anything themselves in terms of customs stuff. So to answer your direct question, the re-shipper has no role in declaring or verifying the customs info that I enter for a package. I'm entirely responsible for that.

 

Re your last question, I ALWAYS send my packages thru my re-shippers airmail service or thru one of the various USPS services they offer. I NEVER send anything thru the private courier services like FedEx and DHL. As a result, what I can tell you for higher priced items sent via air mail or USPS, they too get delivered here by Thai Post...

 

And, if the value is high enough to trigger someone's attention in the Thai Post customs world, my experience has been, they'll typically only charge you for a 7% VAT amount for however they've valued the package. I've had that happen with higher value things like laptop computers, cell phones, higher prices shoes, etc etc.

 

If I was instead sending those higher priced items from non-Amazon retailers and they are using FedEx or DHL or UPS for international delivery as is common, the sky's the limit in terms of how much tax and customs duty you might be charged.

 

 

 

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Why use a reshipper for Amazon? Amazon do deliver to my door via Thai post. 

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Just now, Tayaout said:

Why use a reshipper for Amazon? Amazon do deliver to my door via Thai post. 

 

See the explanation below:

 

Considering that I regularly order a lot of smaller packages from Amazon and have them sent here on a recurring basis, and have done so for years, I've certainly saved a SMALL FORTUNE over the years by managing my Amazon purchases and shipping in a way that legally avoids having to pay Thai Customs duty for them.

 

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Can't get Amazon Fire tablets directly from them either for international shipping to Thailand:

 

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It's an interesting topic, and I was curious to see a bit more about how Amazon Global shipping works, especially regarding the 1500b customs exemption that is supposed to apply here...

 

So, I went shopping on Amazon, and found a set of athletic socks (multiple pairs) that cost about $20, was eligible for shipping to Thailand. And when I priced it, Amazon was just going to charge shipping fees, and there was no separate customs deposit assessed. So perhaps they're recognizing the so-called small package exemption in their own system calculations.

 

But then, I looked to something higher priced, in this case, an $83 Roku Ultra with headphone set priced at $83. When I added that and checked the cost for sending to Thailand, Amazon did add BOTH a shipping fee and a Customs deposit amount, totaling about $32 for a listed 1.45 pound package. But apparently no state sales tax added.

 

So, by my figuring, if I had instead ordered that package to my reshipper, I would have had to pay 8.5% state sales tax on the U.S. end, my shipping cost would have been about the same or a bit more, and I might have also been hit by a VAT charge on the Thai end, sometimes yes, sometimes no, and I probably wouldn't have to pay any customs duty.

 

In the end, it probably would come out pretty close one way or the other.... At least for that particular product. 

 

So what I take away from that is, Amazon's Global shipping program isn't a bad deal in terms of the overall costs alone. But the main downside is going to be, a lot of their inventory is NOT available for direct shipping to Thailand, so if you want it, you gotta go another way.

 

But where you really have to be careful is in ordering online from OTHER retailers who use FedEx and DHL automatically for their international shipping, and who don't have a pre-cleared customs amount, that leaves you and your package vulnerable to the whims of the local customs vultures at FedEx and DHL.

 

 

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OK, I took one last stab at this for tonight on the issue of the 1500b customs exemption.

 

The ONE Amazon Fire device that you can order from Amazon in the U.S. for shipment to Thailand is their Fire Stick basic edition, which is a model specially designed for international markets where Amazon Prime services are not available. It happens to retail for $49.99!

 

In that particular case, when I priced it for shipping, Amazon DID charge both the international shipping fee of $19.98 AND a customs deposit of $11.68, for a total order price of $79.65, but no U.S. state sales tax.

 

So, just exactly when Amazon starts adding a customs duty charge for packages to Thailand seems a bit unclear. But at least, their added costs are offset a bit by apparently not having to pay U.S. state sales tax on items shipped abroad.

 

 

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PS - However, the NBTC licensing issue still exists for imported streaming devices. So I'd be real curious to know if anyone ever tried ordering and shipping one of these Amazon Fire TV Stick Basic Edition items to Thailand. You clearly wouldn't have to pay any additional customs duty under Amazon's setup. But would the package actually make it thru Customs without getting seized, because it's being handled by the private couriers who are much more strict about such things, and not USPS/Thai Post?

 

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Sometimes when ordering from Amazon some customs duty get partly refunded later. 

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12 hours ago, gamesgplayemail said:

 

So from where do you stream if not from a PC or phone ?!

 

 

 

TV Box, Firestick Roku 

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9 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

OK, I took one last stab at this for tonight on the issue of the 1500b customs exemption.

 

The ONE Amazon Fire device that you can order from Amazon in the U.S. for shipment to Thailand is their Fire Stick basic edition, which is a model specially designed for international markets where Amazon Prime services are not available. It happens to retail for $49.99!

 

In that particular case, when I priced it for shipping, Amazon DID charge both the international shipping fee of $19.98 AND a customs deposit of $11.68, for a total order price of $79.65, but no U.S. state sales tax.

 

So, just exactly when Amazon starts adding a customs duty charge for packages to Thailand seems a bit unclear. But at least, their added costs are offset a bit by apparently not having to pay U.S. state sales tax on items shipped abroad.

 

 

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PS - However, the NBTC licensing issue still exists for imported streaming devices. So I'd be real curious to know if anyone ever tried ordering and shipping one of these Amazon Fire TV Stick Basic Edition items to Thailand. You clearly wouldn't have to pay any additional customs duty under Amazon's setup. But would the package actually make it thru Customs without getting seized, because it's being handled by the private couriers who are much more strict about such things, and not USPS/Thai Post?

 

I have ordered 4 TV Boxes from Amazon and one from eBay Global Program.

The Amazon TV boxes went through Customs without a hitch. The eBay Box was flagged by customs and returned to the sender. eBay did provide a full refund.

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13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

higher prices shoes,

 

 

I got hammered on shoes  30% 😟  tax !

 

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14 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Its pretty well known about all this. Thats why when you read threads like this everyone always mentions VPN's. You can watch Netflix on it but its a paid subscription, like everything else. If im not mistaken Roku is one of the boxes that does not have VPN app support on the device itself. 

 

It really takes alot of reading or wasting money before people workout the best way for them to watch tv. I use a Nivida Shield box that has very good processing power and VPN Apps are available for download on the device itself - no need for a router. 

Yes, lots of talk about VPN but not specifically regarding streaming on sticks. If the stick accesses the web only via Wi-Fi, no ethernet connection, then you must have a router with VPN built in.

 

Sure, the big streaming services like Netflix that have buttons on the Roku remote probably deliver as advertised; I don't use them so don't know. Clearly most of the free movie channel like tubi and crackle, film rise, etc definitely do not work with a standard Thai ISP router.

 

I also like that all my Wi-Fi devices used at home now have VPN without it actually being installed on each device.

 

Good tip on Nivida. I'll check it out too for TV. Are you actually referring to Nvidia?

 

Thanks

 

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1 hour ago, RocketDog said:

Yes, lots of talk about VPN but not specifically regarding streaming on sticks. If the stick accesses the web only via Wi-Fi, no ethernet connection, then you must have a router with VPN built in.

 

Sure, the big streaming services like Netflix that have buttons on the Roku remote probably deliver as advertised; I don't use them so don't know. Clearly most of the free movie channel like tubi and crackle, film rise, etc definitely do not work with a standard Thai ISP router.

 

I also like that all my Wi-Fi devices used at home now have VPN without it actually being installed on each device.

 

Good tip on Nivida. I'll check it out too for TV. Are you actually referring to Nvidia?

 

Thanks

 

What I need to know is, has anyone imported a Roku from Amazon, and did all the loaded free apps work, like Crackle etc? Otherwise I don't see the point of buying one (as I have) if can only get paid subscription channels like Netflix. Amazon should publish  disclaimer if that's the case.

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5 hours ago, giddyup said:

What I need to know is, has anyone imported a Roku from Amazon, and did all the loaded free apps work, like Crackle etc? Otherwise I don't see the point of buying one (as I have) if can only get paid subscription channels like Netflix. Amazon should publish  disclaimer if that's the case.

 

It's going to depend on the individual channel and specific service at hand... If the app/service is available outside the U.S., then it ought to work fine with a Roku connected to a Thai ISP address... But if it's a U.S. only service, then when you try to open the channel and/or log-in, it's probably going to fail.

 

Just because a Roku device sold in the U.S. may come with some pre-loaded channels doesn't necessarily mean those same channels are going to work if you try to use the device outside the U.S. (with a non U.S. IP address).

 

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