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OP: You have my sympathy.

 

I'm not sure why you're mentioning VOA if you're a UK citizen, or what your full travel history looks like. If what you're describing is accurate (i.e. if you had the cash in hand and they stamped a denial for "insufficient means") and you wanted to you fight the IO's decision, you could have. But just as the IOs have shown a penchant for lawless behavior, I wouldn't count on the appeals process being any fairer.

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I have heard of this "too many entries" story before and it seems to me that they want people to buy a "multi entry visa" rather than VOA, that seems to be the way things are going and of course its more money into the coffers of the Thai Government. It does make you wonder how visitor friendly Thailand really is there seems to have a been a steady raft of restrictions which might just end up with deterring possible tourists from coming and encourage them to look at pastures new. No doubt TAT will proclaim that even more people are coming than ever before probably on Thai Airways as well!

Take care of the tourists you have and make it easy for them come back multiple times and not look for alternatives would be a better approach I am sure business would agree.

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17 hours ago, Timwin said:

It seems a repeat customer is now bad for business! Totally new, brave world tourist economy!

If you enter with a correct Visa, there won't be any problems. Read his history. 

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19 hours ago, Jss2019 said:

I entered Thailand in September 26 2018.... VOA

UK citizen with VOA? 

Never heard about 🤔

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1 hour ago, RyanWalker said:

It's 100% up to the immigration officer. I have 7 SE TV's in my passport and never had a problem. I'm leaving for Thailand again next week. Never had any issue before. Get a study visa mate. 

I have now 7 visa exempts in my US passport in 2019. Usually stay 3 weeks than leave. Never had a issue, most of the time the officer never looks at me. 

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20 hours ago, Jss2019 said:

I am 48 years old without an official employer etc, any advice is greatly appreciated.

Come back after 2 years with 800,000 and peace of mind. 

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The so called ‘180 day’ rule

 

It  has indicated by at least one member that the Thai Immigration Act indicates that there is a rule whereby a person staying in the Kingdom for more than 180 days using visa on arrivals, or visa exempts, or tourist visas in a year period commencing 1st January through to 31 December will be denied entry.

 

This is totally incorrect.  There’s absolutely no mentions of any such 180 day rule within the Thai Immigration Act, or within any of the Police Orders/Regulations that Immigration Officers are supposed to work within.

 

As has been mentioned by elviajero in post #10, the 180 days is an unofficial figure used by some Immigration Officers to determine if the person is a genuine tourist or not and that this unofficial 180 day rule applies in any give year period and not just from the beginning to the end of the year.

 

I believe that the problem, if it can be called that, stems from the Immigration Bureau Guidelines 0029.1712076, dated 24 June 2014, "Guideline for inspection of citizen from certain countries that are not required to obtain a visa when entering the Kingdom of Thailand".

 

The Guidelines are as follows:

 

To keep permission of entering in compliance with immigration law and provision concerned, it is deemed expedient to impose additional procedures of inspecting and permitting ordinary passport holders from certain countries who are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes,

 

1.      Information checking

 

1.1.    Purpose of entering the Kingdom.  The alien must enter the Kingdom with the sole purpose of tourism, and not for work.

 

1.2.    Record of entry and stay within the Kingdom.

 

1.2.1.  The number of entries into the Kingdom.

 

1.2.2  The alien must not enter the Kingdom by exploiting 30day visa exemptions undertaking method “inout” or called by foreigners as “Visa run”. Aliens use the advantage of Tourist Visa Exemption by leaving Thailand and returning immediately for the purpose of extending their stay, which is considered from the tourism point of view to be longer than necessary and not in line with the purpose permitted while entering country.

 

2.      Reason to believe that entry into Kingdom is not for the purpose of tourism.

 

2.1     Alien will be interviewed and requested to show evidence of the purpose of tourism such as tickets, pocket money, booking slip, traveling plan.

 

2.2     The criterion as in 2.1 if deemed necessary to record as an evidence, the alien may be required to fill out the form as attached in the annex hereto.

 

3.      Reason to reject or permit entry to Thailand

 

3.1     Upon complete evidence of entering the Kingdom for tourism purpose and not for

working purpose, alien shall be granted for permission to stay for 15, 30 or 90 days as set out in the bilateral agreements.

 

3.2    Without valid reason compiled to lack of evidence required by the immigration officer, the alien shall be refused to enter the Kingdom, pursuant to immigration law provision.

 

I firmly believe that Immigration Officers are using Section 1.2.2 of the above mentioned Guidelines as their leaver to deny entry and that they are using stays exceeding 180 days as a reference point again to deny entry.

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2 hours ago, Billpro785 said:

I have now 7 visa exempts in my US passport in 2019. Usually stay 3 weeks than leave. Never had a issue, most of the time the officer never looks at me. 

Possible reason:

3 weeks = 21 days x 7 stays = 147 days total which is well below the so called 180 day limit.

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Not disbelieving anything the OP has stated here, but wondering how/why is it always these stories by under "5 post" members??? 

 

I mean this happens and they sign up to TV or is a case of hiding your original identity for whatever reason????

 

Doesn't this happen to established / regular posting members ????

 

Strange!!

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8 hours ago, lkv said:

Any report that is coming from a new user, and does not have attached a picture of the rejection, I will consider trolling.

 

I am just stating my personal opinion.

 

To me, all these posts sound the same, what should I do, help, what are my chances.

 

I will take the chance of being wrong in a small minority of cases. Better that, than be naive.

I agree, more bs...

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1 hour ago, mockingbird said:

555 Yes I think you're right. Another 1 post 'denied entry' troll. VOA from the UK?

 

This line in the OP's post did make me laugh though -

"I was smartly dressed with a trimmed beard. "

Yes its the little things that make the troll posts more beleivable, certainly sucked in a few regulars posters though. 

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21 hours ago, Timwin said:

It seems a repeat customer is now bad for business! Totally new, brave world tourist economy!

Repeat customer? he lived here for more than a year.

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1 hour ago, madmen said:

Yes its the little things that make the troll posts more beleivable, certainly sucked in a few regulars posters though. 

The award this year for the most succesful troll rejection post goes to a user called Zhanna.

 

 

This thread sucked almost everybody in, including a certain female moderator of TVF , that probably felt like empathising with the sad situation of another "woman" being in detention at Suvarnabhumi.

 

When "she" was busted (by me, thank you), "she" asked for the "thread to be closed".

 

The user I am talking about joined TVF on July 14 and last visited July 15.

 

Just a small example of what I am talking about. Many others out there.

 

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