U.S. softens stance on Israeli settlements, draws Palestinian outrage

[BestB]

Just now, Sujo said:

What part of it is innacurate.

 

Israel has borders like any country. It is against international law to claim land taken in war.

 

I dont blame israel for all. But with illegal land grabs what do you expect to happen. Land grabs is provocation and aggression.

 

Do you think it helps bring peace or ecacerbates the problem.

Gaza was given back a decade ago, how did that work out?

[Sujo]

Just now, BestB said:

But there has not been any plan for years and Abbas already rejected any plan US may have before even hearing it, this was when US cut off the aid

Well kushner is the man that can bring peace if anyone can.

[toast1]

>Land grabs is provocation and aggression.

 

 

This is the fallacy of the Western Israel blamer, that its all about land.

No one in the Middle East thinks its about land, but in the fantasy of the Westerner, living in a fairy tale of multiculti tolerant nonsense, its just some squabbling about where to live.

 

Israel's enemies regularly call for all Jews to be slaughtered, the country to be destroyed and for a religious dictatorship to be established on a Taliban model, but in the West its a property dispute brought on by those pesky Israelis who just won't be nice. 

 

 

 

 

[BestB]

40 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Well kushner is the man that can bring peace if anyone can.

And?

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

Which should inform you as to what a crock of sh*t the "UN" is. There are some truly diabolical nations on this planet yet Israel gets the UN's little panties in a twist. 

Yes it tells you that there are some truly diabolical nations on this planet and Israel is the most diabolical of them all (by a long way).

[Thainesss]

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yes it tells you that there are some truly diabolical nations on this planet and Israel is the most diabolical of them all (by a long way).

 

That is simply not true nor is it backed up by any reasonable statistic. 

[DannyCarlton]

10 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

That is simply not true nor is it backed up by any reasonable statistic. 

I gave you the Wikipedia link that listed every single transgression of UNHCR resolutions. Or is Wikipedia a left wing, snowflake , whatever, whatever, fake news. You should write Trump's scripts for him.

[Number 6]

AIPAC should be classified as terrorist organization.

[Thainesss]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I gave you the Wikipedia link that listed every single transgression of UNHCR resolutions

Yeah you did but that does not prove this statement:

 

25 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

there are some truly diabolical nations on this planet and Israel is the most diabolical of them all (by a long way).

 

Which is simply not true nor is it backed up by any reasonable metric. The UN has a little boner for Israel but there are some seriously diabolical nations out there who blow the doors off Israel, which, ironically, topping the list are primarily Arab/African countries. 

 

But you keep on being spurious & specious as you guys like to do, because feelings. Truth be damned. 

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

AIPAC should be classified as terrorist organization.

 

Ilhan Omar is that you?

[Number 6]

1 hour ago, toast1 said:

fallacy of the Western Israel blamer, that its all about land.

No one in the Middle East thinks its about land, but in the fantasy of the Westerner, living in a fairy tale of multiculti tolerant nonsense, its just some squabbling about where to live.

Well, it would appear isrealis are not interested in giving up a centimeter of it. In fact, they continue to encroach into what's left of the Palestinian lands. The European Jews are the most vociferous ironically.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

Yeah you did but that does not prove this statement:

 

 

Which is simply not true nor is it backed up by any reasonable metric. The UN has a little boner for Israel but there are some seriously diabolical nations out there who blow the doors off Israel, which, ironically, topping the list are primarily Arab/African countries. 

 

But you keep on being spurious & specious as you guys like to do, because feelings. Truth be damned. 

I have given you the truth, Its you that can't accept it. perhaps you could provide links to back up your nonsensical rhetoric.

[Number 6]

2 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

Ilhan Omar is that you?

No, just a sensible American that wants his foreign policy back.

[BestB]

6 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Well, it would appear isrealis are not interested in giving up a centimeter of it. In fact, they continue to encroach into what's left of the Palestinian lands. The European Jews are the most vociferous ironically.

Giving up in exchange for what? More rockets? More stabbings?

[Thainesss]

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

I have given you the truth, Its you that can't accept it. perhaps you could provide links to back up your nonsensical rhetoric.

 

You want me to back up that there are worse countries out there for human rights abuse than Israel? 

[Thainesss]

15 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

No, just a sensible American that wants his foreign policy back.

 

Those damn jews amirite?  

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

But there has not been any plan for years and Abbas already rejected any plan US may have before even hearing it, from memory this  was when US cut off the aid as well

Well, this announcement proves that he had a good predictive ability, and that Palestinians had nothing to hope from Trump's plan. 

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Well, this announcement proves that he had a good predictive ability, and that Palestinians had nothing to hope from Trump's plan. 

 

Well they were hoping for the abolishment of israel so yeah of course they could have predicted that would be a failure. 

[joecoolfrog]

12 hours ago, Tug said:

It’s just Donald pandering for the Jewish vote and perhaps distract from his Ukraine fiasco and imo it’s unfair to the Palestinian people 

Trump panders to his own , so its the Evangelical vote rather than the Jewish one.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

 

Well they were hoping for the abolishment of israel so yeah of course they could have predicted that would be a failure. 

Yet more nonsense from you. The talks didn't take place because Trump/kushner unilateraly decided to move the US Embassy to Jarusalem, making it abundantly clear that the US negotiators would be negotiating exclusively on behalf of Israel. It was originally agreed that East Jarusalem would be under Palestinian control, something that Israel/US have completely gone back on, leaving zero trust in the US by the Palestinians. Replace Kissinger with Trump? You're having a laugh.

[Thainesss]

7 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The talks didn't take place because Trump/kushner unilateraly decided to move the US Embassy to Jarusalem

 

Something the last few presidents said they were gonna do. 

 

8 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yet more nonsense from you.

 

Says the dude who believes Israel is the worst, most diabolical country on earth "by far" yet ignores that statistically its not even in the top 20. 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

 

Something the last few presidents said they were gonna do. 

 

 

Says the dude who believes Israel is the worst, most diabolical country on earth "by far" yet ignores that statistically its not even in the top 20. 

Read the Wikipedia link I posted, its number one.

[billd766]

12 hours ago, ezzra said:

Tell that to the Israeli who live in near and around Gaza and who has to endure frequent barrages of hundreds of rockets only last week Islamic Jihad in Gaza raind nearly 300 rockets on towns and cities populated with citizens, so no winners there, only losers...

Do tell how many "innocent Israelis" were killed and injured by the rocket barrages last week and then compare that against the Palestinian killed and wounded.

 

Tell that to the Palestinians whose lands Israel invaded and stole to build settlements on.

 

Tell that to the rest of the world who believe that there will NEVER be a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians while Netanyahu is running Israel and while the USA covers for them at the UN.

 

Tell that to the families of innocent Palestinian men, women and children who are murdered killed with every airstrike that the Israelis make.

 

IMHO I don't know how Pompeo could stand up and say that with a straight face.

[billd766]

11 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

 The status of the West Bank certainly belongs under Israel's domain. 

NO it doesn't in the slightest.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Well they were hoping for the abolishment of israel so yeah of course they could have predicted that would be a failure. 

Nonsense.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

One should be more tuned to the REAL news, not what the media select as to what to write about and what not, yes, 300 rockets in 3 days, no casualties, except for one top ranking Islamic jihad commander who was sent to meet his maker together with his family...

So you believe that the ends justify the means.

 

Kill the one person you want to kill and don't care about the innocent women and children there at the time.

 

Nah, that was just collateral damage, and they were only Palestinian untermensch anyway.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch

[Thainesss]

13 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Read the Wikipedia link I posted, its number one.

 

Number one in UN Resolutions, not the number 1 worst, most diabolical country on the planet "by far". That part you just made up. 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Well, this announcement proves that he had a good predictive ability, and that Palestinians had nothing to hope from Trump's plan. 

I guess one thing they did not predict is losing the aid, i see that is working out really well for them

[canthai55]

Same old story - Israel Right or Wrong

And tell me this - why, in every discussion about Israel, does someone play the 'Jew' card ?

I never mentioned them, most did not. But as soon as the 'Deny" crowd finds their back against the wall, trying to defend what is impossible for any rational thinking human being to defend - out pops this card.

An unbiased look at history, since the founding of Israel, will find a continuing policy of placing Palestinians in concentration camp-like settings (Gaza)  or even worse ghettos.

If it was not so sad it would be laughable - the lengths people will go to defend this State.

Deplorable.

 

[BestB]

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yes it tells you that there are some truly diabolical nations on this planet and Israel is the most diabolical of them all (by a long way).

Speaking of diabolical nations,

British war crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

 

 

British atrocities against Palestinian Arabs, 1936-39 

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/01/british-atrocities-against-palestinian.html

 

Britain’s legacy of brutality in Palestine

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/48508/Britains+legacy+of+brutality+in+Palestine

 

How were your fathers feelings during all the atrocities committed by British empire?he did serve British empire, did he not? But when people fought back just as viciously is when he developed lifelong hatred of Israel and all that it stood for?