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9 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Same old story - Israel Right or Wrong

And tell me this - why, in every discussion about Israel, does someone play the 'Jew' card ?

I never mentioned them, most did not. But as soon as the 'Deny" crowd finds their back against the wall, trying to defend what is impossible for any rational thinking human being to defend - out pops this card.

An unbiased look at history, since the founding of Israel, will find a continuing policy of placing Palestinians in concentration camp-like settings (Gaza)  or even worse ghettos.

If it was not so sad it would be laughable - the lengths people will go to defend this State.

Deplorable.

 

May be because Israel is a jewish state?????

 

 

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58 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do tell how many "innocent Israelis" were killed and injured by the rocket barrages last week and then compare that against the Palestinian killed and wounded.

 

Tell that to the Palestinians whose lands Israel invaded and stole to build settlements on.

 

Tell that to the rest of the world who believe that there will NEVER be a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians while Netanyahu is running Israel and while the USA covers for them at the UN.

 

Tell that to the families of innocent Palestinian men, women and children who are murdered killed with every airstrike that the Israelis make.

 

IMHO I don't know how Pompeo could stand up and say that with a straight face.

Do you think result would have been different if Israel did not have Iron Domes? bomb shelters and warning sirens and army that struck back?

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3 minutes ago, BestB said:

Speaking of diabolical nations,

British war crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

 

 

British atrocities against Palestinian Arabs, 1936-39 

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/01/british-atrocities-against-palestinian.html

 

Britain’s legacy of brutality in Palestine

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/48508/Britains+legacy+of+brutality+in+Palestine

 

How were your fathers feelings during all the atrocities committed by British empire?he did serve British empire, did he not? But when people fought back just as viciously is when he developed lifelong hatred of Israel and all that it stood for?

 


 

Well, my father wasn't there during the periods you have referenced, he wasn't even British and spoke no English until he joined the British Army in '43. Served in 6th Airborne and talked very little about his experiences in the war. However, he did relate a story about a time his subaltern murdered 2 16 year old German boys. Atrocities were committed on all sides during the war.

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Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Well, my father wasn't there during the periods you have referenced, he wasn't even British and spoke no English until he joined the British Army in '43. Served in 6th Airborne and talked very little about his experiences in the war. However, he did relate a story about a time his subaltern murdered 2 16 year old German boys. Atrocities were committed on all sides during the war.

Well it was the very same army your father served in who committed all the crimes, and you did make a statement claiming it was bad jews who were murderess while brits were victims, i guess turns out not so true after all

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7 minutes ago, BestB said:

May be because Israel is a jewish state?????

 

 

Absolutely not, neither my father nor I were antisemitic. We both have had Jewish friends at times.

 

This is all part of the current propaganda of Zionist zealots claiming that to be anti zionist is to be anti semitic. All Zionists are jewish but not all Jews are zionists.

 

Corbyn is being pilloried for the same reason. He has spoken out many time condeming racist attacks on British Jews but because he supports the Palestinian cause and condems the actions of the state of Israel, he is branded anti semetic by evangelistic zionists. It needs to stop it's creating divisions in society that didn't exist before.

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8 minutes ago, BestB said:

and you did make a statement claiming it was bad jews who were murderess while brits were victims, i guess turns out not so true after all

I would never say that, I said Israeli terrorists not Jews. there's a difference. Please quote me if you think otherwise.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Absolutely not, neither my father nor I were antisemitic. We both have had Jewish friends at times.

 

This is all part of the current propaganda of Zionist zealots claiming that to be anti zionist is to be anti semitic. All Zionists are jewish but not all Jews are zionists.

 

Corbyn is being pilloried for the same reason. He has spoken out many time condeming racist attacks on British Jews but because he supports the Palestinian cause and condems the actions of the state of Israel, he is branded anti semetic by evangelistic zionists. It needs to stop it's creating divisions in society that didn't exist before.

Utter nonsense. its like saying you have Indian friends, but you hate India.

 

Israel stands for being one and only tiny jewish state.

 

Israel does not seek destruction or elimination of any of its neighbors.

 

Israel allows multi religions, gay parades and even has an arab party with 20% arab population.

 

None of the arab states have any of the above.

 

Not all Israelis or Jews around the world agree with expanding into Westbank, but all want for Israel to have peace.

 

Palestinians are refusing all offers and making demands which they know will not be met.

 

They have done nothing to improve , grow or develop, Israel gave back Gaza and all Israel got in return was rocket attacks.

 

Even some Arabs are growing tired of them by now,

 

The Palestinians should either accept the peace plan they are offered at the moment or “shut up” and “stop complaining,” Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman

https://www.rt.com/news/425521-mbs-palestininians-peace-proposal/

 

 

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9 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I would never say that, I said Israeli terrorists not Jews. there's a difference. Please quote me if you think otherwise.

 

 

Well sorry to break it to you, but they were jews and you did quote a name of one and when people say Israel it does mean jewish state. and no, there is no difference. There might be one now that you have been caught out making rather silly claims, but in general there is no difference.

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1 minute ago, BestB said:

Well sorry to break it to you, but they were jews and you did quote a name of one and when people say Israel it does mean jewish state. and no, there is no difference. There might be one now that you have been caught out making rather silly claims, but in general there is no difference.

I repeat, All Isrealis aren't terrorists, but all members of Irgun and the Stern gang were. All Israelis are Jewish but not all Jews are Israelis.

 

It's akin to saying that if someone hates ISIS they hate all Moslems. Get it now?

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3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I repeat, All Isrealis aren't terrorists, but all members of Irgun and the Stern gang were. All Israelis are Jewish but not all Jews are Israelis.

 

It's akin to saying that if someone hates ISIS they hate all Moslems. Get it now?

Last time i checked, jews living in Israel are Israelis, and since we are discussing Israel what exactly are you trying to say again?

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1 minute ago, BestB said:

Last time i checked, jews living in Israel are Israelis, and since we are discussing Israel what exactly are you trying to say again?

Correct. Far more Jews live outside Israel and not all of them are zionists. Many of them speak out against the atrocities committed by the state of Israel.

 

The criticisms of the actions of the State of Israel on this thread don't reflect the feelings of posters about Jews.

 

As an example, both my father and I were horrified and saddened by the atrocities committed by the Nazis on the Jewish people in WW11. My father fought against them, even though his mother was Geman. Probably the darkest time in human history.

 

However, we were both horrified and saddened by the atrocities committed by the State of Israel on the Palestinian people. Irony or what?

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20 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Correct. Far more Jews live outside Israel and not all of them are zionists. Many of them speak out against the atrocities committed by the state of Israel.

 

The criticisms of the actions of the State of Israel on this thread don't reflect the feelings of posters about Jews.

 

As an example, both my father and I were horrified and saddened by the atrocities committed by the Nazis on the Jewish people in WW11. My father fought against them, even though his mother was Geman. Probably the darkest time in human history.

 

However, we were both horrified and saddened by the atrocities committed by the State of Israel on the Palestinian people. Irony or what?

Once again this topic is about Israel not about who lives outside.

 

But since you brought up WW2 and Nazi, Did you ever think that may be WW2 and Nazi was the reason why Zionism born? and Why Zionist defend jews and Israel so viciously? so that WW2 evens do not ever happen again and if you check Palestinian objective is it to drive all jews into the sea

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8 minutes ago, BestB said:

 so that WW2 evens do not ever happen again

Then why is Israel doing the exact same thing to the people of Palestine as was done to the Jewish - and many others - gays, russians, slavs, etc etc etc - during WW2 ?

Answer - same viewpoint.

If you are not for us you are against us.

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16 minutes ago, BestB said:

Once again this topic is about Israel not about who lives outside.

 

But since you brought up WW2 and Nazi, Did you ever think that may be WW2 and Nazi was the reason why Zionism born? and Why Zionist defend jews and Israel so viciously? so that WW2 evens do not ever happen again and if you check Palestinian objective is it to drive all jews into the sea

To correct you.

 

The topic is about a change in US policy wrt to Jewish settlements.

 

So once again I’ll ask you, and anybody else, how does this change in US policy improve matters for the many people, Jewish or Palestinian currently living in fear?

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3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Same old story - Israel Right or Wrong

And tell me this - why, in every discussion about Israel, does someone play the 'Jew' card ?

I never mentioned them, most did not. But as soon as the 'Deny" crowd finds their back against the wall, trying to defend what is impossible for any rational thinking human being to defend - out pops this card.

An unbiased look at history, since the founding of Israel, will find a continuing policy of placing Palestinians in concentration camp-like settings (Gaza)  or even worse ghettos.

If it was not so sad it would be laughable - the lengths people will go to defend this State.

Deplorable.

 

And that is the truely tiresome aspect of any critical comment of  "Israeli" policy  and/or  action in the automatic premise and assumption that it  anti  semite  rather than  anti the  actual actions !

Name me another  governmental  jurisidiction  that  can hide  behind and hold  up a  banner of  persecution  to  justify it's  own persecutions with selective  backing in the face of predominant condemnation or  rejection?  Muslim? Not at all !  The majority  of  followers of Islam  would like to see the  radical element  gone.

Christian?  The  Evangelical element that has started to  pervade  the perversion of another (IMO) perpetuated fantasy is a manipulative menace!

The  whole  arena of  religious  affiliation associated  with  the  MONEY that provides the  ability  to acquire  representation for social acceptance is the instituted poison of ignorance.

Therein  is the  key and  it is  no less  for  the Jewish community. In the  great divide  of  "religious freedom" that so often  by legislation is accommodated  that there is  no equivalent legislation that  provides genuine  equality of such  right within a nationalist   territory. By that I mean that  in the  majority  of the  "western " world it is the  base assumption  that  society  abides  by   "Christian"  principles  (lol) in the majority of  social legislated systems.

In other  locales the  predominant religion assumes  legislative superiority likewise.  Why?

If the principles  of  the  majority of   "recognized"   "religions" incorporate  the  same or  similar  basis of  social  harmony then why is it that  they are always in conflict politically and  terratorially?  Personally I have long  concluded  it is the manipulative  motivation of  those  who  have  no  faith  other than to   manipulate for the sake of.  Yet that is  in conflict of the same principles  of  the  major  religious teachings if  not  others.  If humanity  is  one  in  real terms  then  consider  what  keeps  us  from having  one  accord on our  existence?

 

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36 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Then why is Israel doing the exact same thing to the people of Palestine as was done to the Jewish - and many others - gays, russians, slavs, etc etc etc - during WW2 ?

Answer - same viewpoint.

If you are not for us you are against us.

1. Do not modify my posts

2. Stop posting utter rubbish

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32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To correct you.

 

The topic is about a change in US policy wrt to Jewish settlements.

 

So once again I’ll ask you, and anybody else, how does this change in US policy improve matters for the many people, Jewish or Palestinian currently living in fear?

Last time i checked Jewish settlements were in Israel not in Nicaragua ????

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7 hours ago, BestB said:

May be because Israel is a jewish state?????

 

 

...Only because Zionist terrorist gangs ethnically cleaned half the population who were non Jewish and refuse to this day to allow them to return to their homes, or to intermarry with Israeli Palestinians, or for the wider global Palestinian diaspora to return to the West Bank.
  
The majority of the people in the area that the OP suggests will soon become expanded Israel are Palestinians not Jews. So how can you have a Jewish state when the majority is not Jewish?

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24 minutes ago, dexterm said:

...Only because Zionist terrorist gangs ethnically cleaned half the population who were non Jewish and refuse to this day to allow them to return to their homes, or to intermarry with Israeli Palestinians, or for the wider global Palestinian diaspora to return to the West Bank.
  
The majority of the people in the area that the OP suggests will soon become expanded Israel are Palestinians not Jews. So how can you have a Jewish state when the majority is not Jewish?

History will not judge the Zionists kindly.

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Trump's decision flies in the face of all international law, numerous UN Resolutions, previous US administrations' legal opinion and is a war crime under the Geneva Convention which states that you can't conquer territory, occupy it and transfer your own population there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Section_III._Occupied_territories

Israel and USA are signatories to the Geneva Convention.

 

And of course if it's OK for Israel to occupy and annex other people's land, it creates a precedent for other countries such as Russia and China to do the same, simply because they can do. You revert to the law of the jungle: might is right.

 

But on the positive side, it means that the racist supremacist Zionist state is digging itself into a deeper hole. Israel is moving inevitably to a one state solution. If you annex the land what are you going to do about the indigenous Palestinian population who already live there?
1. ..ethically cleanse them a third time?
2. ..control 100% of their lives allowing them to live in bantustans within Israel's new borders, but refuse to give them the vote = apartheid
3. ..grant them the vote and equal civil rights to become a truly democratic country.

Thanks to Trump I can see the Palestinian struggle moving to an overt anti apartheid campaign. One nation, one man, one vote. If you cant divide the land fairly, then share it.

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1 hour ago, dexterm said:

...Only because Zionist terrorist gangs ethnically cleaned half the population who were non Jewish and refuse to this day to allow them to return to their homes, or to intermarry with Israeli Palestinians, or for the wider global Palestinian diaspora to return to the West Bank.
  
The majority of the people in the area that the OP suggests will soon become expanded Israel are Palestinians not Jews. So how can you have a Jewish state when the majority is not Jewish?

Yes they did so much cleaning that they left over 2 million , which happens to be over 20% of total population and turned them into citizens ????

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