U.S. softens stance on Israeli settlements, draws Palestinian outrage

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, BestB said:

See, this is why its wise to read your own links before making statements

 

The Sabra and Shatila massacre (also known as the Sabra and Chatila massacre)^[4][5] was the killing of between 460 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a militia close to the Kataeb Party, also called Phalange, a predominantly Christian Lebanese right-wing party in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon. 

 

Man those pesky facts must cause physical pain to the people who have to read them. 

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, BestB said:

See, this is why its wise to read your own links before making statements

 

The Sabra and Shatila massacre (also known as the Sabra and Chatila massacre)^[4][5] was the killing of between 460 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a militia close to the Kataeb Party, also called Phalange, a predominantly Christian Lebanese right-wing party in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon. 

 

 

Now you're really distorting the truth.

That militia was acting under orders of the Israeli defense force.

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Now you're really distorting the truth.

That militia was acting under orders of the Israeli defense force.

Really? so if i tell you to jump you will?

[DannyCarlton]

21 minutes ago, BestB said:

See, this is why its wise to read your own links before making statements

 

The Sabra and Shatila massacre (also known as the Sabra and Chatila massacre)^[4][5] was the killing of between 460 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a militia close to the Kataeb Party, also called Phalange, a predominantly Christian Lebanese right-wing party in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon. 

 

 

The camp was guarded by Israeli troups, who co ordinated with the malita, allowed them to enter the camps and prevented any of the refugees from leaving until the slaughter was complete. That's why the Israeli troups took overall blame for an act og genocide.

[BestB]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The camp was guarded by Israeli troups, who co ordinated with the malita, allowed them to enter the camps and prevented any of the refugees from leaving until the slaughter was complete. That's why the Israeli troups took overall blame for an act og genocide.

What really happened is open for debate, some claim US gave green light, some say Israel knew but did nothing. Wiki says "The IDF received reports of some of the Phalanges atrocities in Sabra and Shatila but did not take any action to prevent or stop the massacre"

 

What is for certain is that it was in Lebanon and it was done by Lebanese group as a retaliation for the assassination of newly elected Lebanese president.

 

So if you want to accuse Israel of genocide by association, by all means feel free to do so, but then you can accuse UK of the same 

 

From the Nazi rise to power through to the outbreak of war, Great Britain had access to information and evidence about the Nazi’s actions and policies. However, there was very little protest from the British government. This political and diplomatic weakness encouraged Hitler to continue his brutal policies against the Jews and his political enemies. Hitler was also initially able to develop his policy of expansion across Europe, with little official reaction from Great Britain.https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/responses-1933-1945/governments-respond-1933-1939/

 

And US, for turning away ship carrying 937 jews fleeing Nazi's and list goes on

[DannyCarlton]

28 minutes ago, BestB said:

What really happened is open for debate, some claim US gave green light, some say Israel knew but did nothing.

Some say Israel knew? How could they not know? It was therir camp. Israeli troups were guarding the camp when the attack happened. They allowed the phalangists to enter, which was pre arranged, and prevented the Palestinian refugees from leaving until the slaughter was complete. Men, women and children. Which is why the Macbride report concluded that Israel must take responsibility for the genocide.

 

The rest of your post has absolutely nothing to do with the Palestinian- Israeli conflict and, yet again, is pure deflection.

 

 

[BestB]

18 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Some say Israel knew? How could they not know? It was therir camp. Israeli troups were guarding the camp when the attack happened. They allowed the phalangists to enter, which was pre arranged, and prevented the Palestinian refugees from leaving until the slaughter was complete. Men, women and children. Which is why the Macbride report concluded that Israel must take responsibility for the genocide.

 

The rest of your post has absolutely nothing to do with the Palestinian- Israeli conflict and, yet again, is pure deflection.

 

 

Yes some say Israel knew prior, some say Israel knew during and some say after

 

What he concluded is just as useless as all the rest reports, as already proven and confirmed how biased these reports are

[candide]

5 hours ago, BestB said:

Yes some say Israel knew prior, some say Israel knew during and some say after

 

What he concluded is just as useless as all the rest reports, as already proven and confirmed how biased these reports are

Which reports are biased?

[BestB]

54 minutes ago, candide said:

Which reports are biased?

I can only lead a horse to water , can not make it drink 

[dexterm]

14 hours ago, BestB said:

I read your same nonsense which you copy and paste each and every time. yet each and every time you conveniently leave out facts or deflect from facts.

 

Facts are there are over 2 million arabs with Israeli citizenship happily living in Israel

There is an Arab party in Israeli government

It is illegal to discriminate or even to speak bad or make any racial comments in public.

 

On the other hand, some facts are, Palestinians living in refuge camps in Jordan for 70 years still as refuges with no rights to work or prospect of citizenship even for those born in Jordan, second or third generation. No right of voice and do not forget the slaughter of Black September.

 

Same applies to Palestinians living in Egypt or any other neighboring country.

 

But of course letting facts get in a way of good repetitive nonsense is a new fashion

More than 65 Israeli laws discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/7771

 

Or if you prefer to hear it from the horse's mouth...Netanyahu's comment on Israel's Basic Nation State Law "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and only it."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47524518
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People

 

The US action in the OP legitimizes Israel's annexation of the West Bank, and makes an illegal occupation of 52 years, somehow now legal in the eyes of Trump and Netanyahu.

 

So if, as you claim, Israel is such a marvellous democracy and the Israeli treatment of its 20% Israeli Palestinian minority is so wonderful, why not extend it to the 2.75 million Palestinians in the West Bank that Israel is about to include within its newly expanded borders?
 

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, dexterm said:

More than 65 Israeli laws discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/7771

 

Or if you prefer to hear it from the horse's mouth...Netanyahu's comment on Israel's Basic Nation State Law "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and only it."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47524518
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People

 

The US action in the OP legitimizes Israel's annexation of the West Bank, and makes an illegal occupation of 52 years, somehow now legal in the eyes of Trump and Netanyahu.

 

So if, as you claim, Israel is such a marvellous democracy and the Israeli treatment of its 20% Israeli Palestinian minority is so wonderful, why not extend it to the 3 million Palestinians in the West Bank that Israel is about to include within its borders?
 

More nonsense but expected 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, BestB said:

More nonsense but expected 

Want to refute any of the facts?

[DannyCarlton]

8 minutes ago, BestB said:

More nonsense but expected 

More rhetorical denial but expected.

[canthai55]

Same old story. The Pro Israel people will not listen to any facts presented to them. In their eyes they can do no wrong.

It is all the fault of others who wish to overthrow this Great State and not allow them to annex any property they want, deny basic human rights to the people living there, and develop the property for themselves.

Their Arrogance is exceeded only by their Ignorance.

Sad to say the only solution to this problem which I can see lies with Iran

[BestB]

On 11/21/2019 at 10:41 AM, stevenl said:

Want to refute any of the facts?

Already did. Did you have anything to add besides usual few smartass words with no value  

[DaddyWarbucks]

35 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Same old story. The Pro Israel people will not listen to any facts presented to them. In their eyes they can do no wrong.

It is all the fault of others who wish to overthrow this Great State and not allow them to annex any property they want, deny basic human rights to the people living there, and develop the property for themselves.

Their Arrogance is exceeded only by their Ignorance.

Sad to say the only solution to this problem which I can see lies with Iran

Spot on.

The old dream of Eretz Israel is dead as a door nail.

The radical Zionists are creating a one-state solution that will be the end of Israel as a Jewish homeland.

Live within your internationally recognized 1967 borders and stop stealing your neighbours land.

The whole world is against you.

[BestB]

2 hours ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Spot on.

The old dream of Eretz Israel is dead as a door nail.

The radical Zionists are creating a one-state solution that will be the end of Israel as a Jewish homeland.

Live within your internationally recognized 1967 borders and stop stealing your neighbours land.

The whole world is against you.

If the whole world was against according to you is there any reason why Israel is not isolated like NK ? And if the world was as pro Arab as you making it out to be, any reason why they do not even have money to pay government employees ?

 

so besides your dreams any actual evidence to support it?

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, BestB said:

If the whole world was against according to you is there any reason why Israel is not isolated like NK ? And if the world was as pro Arab as you making it out to be, any reason why they do not even have money to pay government employees ?

 

so besides your dreams any actual evidence to support it?

If it weren't for the US, Israel has long been it's largest recipient of aid by far, and MBS, it would be.

[BestB]

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

If it weren't for the US, Israel has long been it's largest recipient of aid by far, and MBS, it would be.

US aid to Israel is for military with conditions that 80% of it is spent on US arms, So try again 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

US aid to Israel is for military with conditions that 80% of it is spent on US arms, So try again 

Aid is aid. Plus 20% of it is still more than any other country recieves.

 

 

[BestB]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

Aidis aid. Plus 20% of it is still more than any other country recieves.

Let’s see your facts not guesses 

how much Egypt gets? How much palis use to get?

[DannyCarlton]

35 minutes ago, BestB said:

Let’s see your facts not guesses 

how much Egypt gets? How much palis use to get?

Israel gets almost 3 times the aid that Egypt gets.

[rabas]

39 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Aid is aid. Plus 20% of it is still more than any other country recieves.

It all depends on year and what kind of aid you are talking about, Israel is only security assistance. Here is 2017 totlas aid

https://www.statista.com/chart/17610/countries-receiving-us-foreign-aid/

 

Also depends who makes the data. Russia portrays the US in a bad light. Here is a USA website where they forgot to remove the Russian from the Graph!  LOL

 

https://oksitoys.com/politics/19059-the-us-will-allocate-25-8-billion-on-foreign-aid-in-2018.html

 

Full truth here. https://explorer.usaid.gov/

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

It all depends on year and what kind of aid you are talking about, Israel is only security assistance. Here is 2017 totlas aid

https://www.statista.com/chart/17610/countries-receiving-us-foreign-aid/

 

Also depends who makes the data. Russia portrays the US in a bad light. Here is a USA website where they forgot to remove the Russian from the Graph!  LOL

 

https://oksitoys.com/politics/19059-the-us-will-allocate-25-8-billion-on-foreign-aid-in-2018.html

 

Full truth here. https://explorer.usaid.gov/

 

 

Aid to buy weapons, which are used to kill Palesinians, is surely the most immoral kind of Aid.

 

https://www.amcham.org.eg/information-resources/trade-resources/egypt-us-relations/us-foreign-assistance-to-egypt

 

Top Recipients of U.S. Foreign Assistance (USD million)	FY 2018 Planned	FY 2018 Spent	FY 2019 Requested
Israel	3,100.0	1.52	3,300.0
Egypt	1,380.0	143.8	1,381.3
Jordan	1,000.0	817.2	1,275.0
Afghanistan	782.8	777.7	632.8
Kenya	639.4	601.9	624.3
Tanzania	535.3	433.2	553.1
South Africa	310.5	359.7	510.5
Uganda	436.4	414.4	461.4
Zambia	428.9	327.4	440.5
Nigeria	419.1	713.6	351.6

Source: www.foreignassistance.gov

 

 

[BestB]

23 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Israel gets almost 3 times the aid that Egypt gets.

Again.lets see facts not your guesses

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, BestB said:

Again.lets see facts not your guesses

See my post #180

[BestB]

18 minutes ago, rabas said:

It all depends on year and what kind of aid you are talking about, Israel is only security assistance. Here is 2017 totlas aid

https://www.statista.com/chart/17610/countries-receiving-us-foreign-aid/

 

Also depends who makes the data. Russia portrays the US in a bad light. Here is a USA website where they forgot to remove the Russian from the Graph!  LOL

 

https://oksitoys.com/politics/19059-the-us-will-allocate-25-8-billion-on-foreign-aid-in-2018.html

 

Full truth here. https://explorer.usaid.gov/

 

 

Was it not you who said aid is aid? But now you twisting to to fit your narrative ????

 

you claimed israel is the largest recipient of US aid, turns out false.

 

you claimed even 20% is more than any other country, false again.

 

you now claiming 3 times more than Egypt , as already explained , 80% is to be spent with US arms whilst Egyptian unconditional so false again

 

why you would continue is beyond me, but do not let facts get in a way of another false rant ????

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

See my post #180

Yes I did , my apology. Was reading from last to first 

[DannyCarlton]

9 minutes ago, BestB said:

Was it not you who said aid is aid? But now you twisting to to fit your narrative ????

 

you claimed israel is the largest recipient of US aid, turns out false.

 

you claimed even 20% is more than any other country, false again.

 

you now claiming 3 times more than Egypt , as already explained , 80% is to be spent with US arms whilst Egyptian unconditional so false again

 

why you would continue is beyond me, but do not let facts get in a way of another false rant ????

Well that's the false rant of all false rants!

 

Israel is the largest recipient of US aid. Almost 3 times more than Egypt. Using it to buy arms is far more reprehensible than using it for humanitarian reasons.

 

You're doing your beloved Israel no favours with your rants. You're just making them look more and more reprehensible.

 

 

[rabas]

50 minutes ago, BestB said:

Was it not you who said aid is aid? But now you twisting to to fit your narrative ????

 

you claimed israel is the largest recipient of US aid, turns out false.

 

you claimed even 20% is more than any other country, false again.

 

you now claiming 3 times more than Egypt , as already explained , 80% is to be spent with US arms whilst Egyptian unconditional so false again

 

why you would continue is beyond me, but do not let facts get in a way of another false rant ????

No, that was Danny.