Brit tourist tells of Thai prison terror after beaten inmate died in his arms

[Langkawee]

3 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Newbie alert!!!!!!!!!

 

Read about Hannah and David's bodies when the they were sent back to the UK

The sabotage was so bad that no proper UK autopsy could be undertaken

Always the case since the 1960s.

[Shaunduhpostman]

18 minutes ago, kimpil01 said:

My facts comes from my own experience. I was there from the 26 of June until the 7 of July this year and stayed in the same cell. It is inhuman conditions but the inmates help each other’s as much as possible

OK, good, its important to hear from people who have been there. But what you saw and experienced isn't what everyone sees and experiences. Perhaps your cell was a good one with a kindhearted boss, perhaps even a kind hearted boss may decide he doesn't like one of the inmates and allows that inmate to be beaten to death.

 

I will remember this report in the UK newspaper for many years. If more like it come out I will have a better idea about what is going on at the detention center. If nothing more happens for many years then I will think you were probably right, but for now i wonder what they really do with people in there.

 

I hope more information emerges about the case reported by the overstayer, it seems he may not be 100% reliable, but you have to wonder why would he go to the UK press about this. I can imagine that there might be Thai people in the UK who would not like what he said at all and could give him problems. I think he is taking a big risk, too big just to be say ing anything he feels like saying or to be just trying to  get some kind of petty revenge.

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Shaunduhpostman said:

OK, good, its important to hear from people who have been there. But what you saw and experienced isn't what everyone sees and experiences. Perhaps your cell was a good one with a kindhearted boss, perhaps even a kind hearted boss may decide he doesn't like one of the inmates and allows that inmate to be beaten to death.

 

I will remember this report in the UK newspaper for many years. If more like it come out I will have a better idea about what is going on at the detention center. If nothing more happens for many years then I will think you were probably right, but for now i wonder what they really do with people in there.

 

I hope more information emerges about the case reported by the overstayer, it seems he may not be 100% reliable, but you have to wonder why would he go to the UK press about this. I can imagine that there might be Thai people in the UK who would not like what he said at all and could give him problems. I think he is taking a big risk, too big just to be say ing anything he feels like saying or to be just trying to  get some kind of petty revenge.

See my post #181. Just another fantasist claiming things that never happened. Good old Thai Visa.

[Spock]

9 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

One that puts it's own people first, one that cares about border security and one that wants a sustainable (that word again) population growth?

If you have spent time in a Thai jail you would know that foreigners are generally treated better than Thai inmates. 

[Langkawee]

1 minute ago, Langkawee said:

Everyone has seen enough of your ridiculous posts. Give us a beak, go find a pattaya hoe, and leave us free from your newbie posts, please, pretty please. People come here to learn something so they are no longer newbies. You are not being helpful. 

Most know how it works a week in the morgue while you are dead or alive with no refrigeration to make the autopsy impossible. Enter that country at your own risk. God bless you all. 

[mike787]

Well, was it, or is it worth overstaying??  If not, don't do it.  Get over it, Thailand is nice, but it is not Elysium. 

Or, if it is then proceed to overstay and suck up the consequences of "YOUR" decision.  Simple! 

[allanos]

It seems that anyone who has nothing bad to say about Thailand and the Thais, or even says good things about them, is deemed by some of the more hostile readers here to be suffering from a kind of Stockholm syndrome! ????

[Isaanbiker]

23 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Strange. In September you claimed that you hadn't been in Thailand since 2014.

 

 

Which -obviously- makes his story hard to believe.

 

How could he have been in detention when he wasn't there?

 

The one million bucks question of the day. 

[transam]

Just now, allanos said:

It seems that anyone who has nothing bad to say about Thailand and the Thais, or even says good things about them, is deemed by some of the more hostile readers here to be suffering from a kind of Stockholm syndrome! ????

I've never been there, are they all daft or just smiley...????

[Inn Between]

I guess mentioning that he's a father of two is supposed to give him more respect and credibility. I don't understand that as millions of people irresponsibly bring children into the world. I'm going to assume he fathered those children in the UK and is estranged from them as he took off to Thailand with a 1-way ticket to be with his Thai girlfriend. I just don't see how that's supposed to make us see him as a more respectable person, but perhaps I'm reading more into twice mentioning that he made some babies.

 

But, what I really don't understand is why he was in the IDC for 3 months. Did he just not have the funds to purchase a return ticket, or was he actually sentenced to spend 3 months there for being on a 6-month overstay? 

 

Clearly, people should not have to be detained long-term in the conditions described, and if there is a high degree of truth to what this person has told the press (and the FBI) then pressure should be put on Thailand to make changes to their facilities and process.  At the same time, people should not flirt with situations where they can't financially take care of themselves when traveling abroad.  

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Isaanbiker said:

Which -obviously- makes his story hard to believe.

 

How could he have been in detention when he wasn't there?

 

The one million bucks question of the day. 

I have never seen any viable reports of farang prisoners being treated in the way the OP describes.

 

It's harsh, I wouldn't want to spend time in there but the OPs claims are pure fantasy.

[metisdead]

Some inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.  

 

Off topic trollling posts and replies have been removed. 

[sunnyboy2018]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I think you'll find there's quite a close comparison.

The two guys in the OP do not appear to be normal 'holiday makers' either.

(according to a 5 minute google search)

 

PS 'Kai' is a popular Indian name.

http://www.indiachildnames.com/name.aspx?name=Kai

They were not in anyway similar to the illegal immigrants who go to the UK to get UK passports,  jobs, citizenship by paying trafficking gangs to smuggle them in illegally.

[sunnyboy2018]

1 minute ago, Ireland32 said:

You know the idiots that come over here and change their name to Thai, Morons

No. How many do you know?

[sunnyboy2018]

10 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

The guardian for those who do not know is a far left propaganda rag

The link I provided was not the Guardian.

[Fred white]

11 hours ago, colinneil said:

So Kai Issacs thinks i can make serious money out of this, just stretch the truth make it sound dramatic, ker ching.

Locked up abroad TV show

[sunnyboy2018]

2 hours ago, UTH001 said:

Where does this regular HATE voiced by some people on this forum about over-stayers come from? Have they done something to you personally? Have you been affected by their doing in any negative way, just curious? Have you had sleepless nights about that?

In other threads I have outline some possible reasons for the obsessive hatred that some people have for overstayers, drug users, bar girls etc. They are damaged sad people who have often experienced emotional and other  abuse in their childhood and made to feel ashamed of themselves so by voicing hate and moral authority for petty offenders they seek to regain control, moral authority and shift their shame to othet people. Such people were often bought up in religious,  judgemental environments.

[Ireland32]

9 hours ago, chuang said:

Detainees from 47 countries..he must have done a head count.

Reading comprehension it’s on the board in there 

[cyril sneer]

10 hours ago, zydeco said:

Did they actually allow the outright murder of an American citizen by Iranians in a prison to go without investigation?

maybe they're trying to immitate the western world

 

swap 'american' for 'british' and 'iranians' for 'pakistanis' and that's part and parcel of the UK prison sysem

[amykat]

1 hour ago, allanos said:

It seems that anyone who has nothing bad to say about Thailand and the Thais, or even says good things about them, is deemed by some of the more hostile readers here to be suffering from a kind of Stockholm syndrome! ????

Because either you are suffering from that, or you are naive/have your head in the sand, or just live a life where you don’t experience much in certain areas, or you are too new ...who knows, or you suffer from a belief that you must remain and believe in positivity at all costs???  Or you work for the government propaganda system ....or you troll to cause more posters to have an interesting debate??  
 

Some of you with this strange belief system sure can throw your fellow expats under the bus and shred them to pieces with little to no information and certainly with no empathy working in that analysis.  No positive thinking on that side.

[sniggie]

11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

The guardian for those who do not know is a far left propaganda rag

Totally incorrect and unnecessary information. True The Guardian is left of centre but it is a beacon among a host of rabid right-wing publications fit only for the smallest room. Anyway where is The Guardian mentioned?  I see only the Mirror and Sunday People in the news item. 

[Isaanbiker]

12 hours ago, colinneil said:

So Kai Issacs thinks i can make serious money out of this, just stretch the truth make it sound dramatic, ker ching.

He doesn't look like he'd become your best friend, doesn't he?

[amykat]

People, you need to remember that a journalist wrote the article.  Not the person interviewed and who lived the story.  The journalist often gets some facts wrong when hearing a long story, he is not an expert in Thailand and probably doesn’t give a damn why Kai lost his money in Thailand or his various details.  Kai might have told him a very detailed story regarding all that stuff but that wasn’t the purpose of his news article.  I would not place blame on Kai necessarily for things you find inconsistent with life here, or IDC or whatever.  Overall this doesn’t rank very highly in his journalistic career and he probably had a few hours to bang this out.

[StevieAus]

5 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Well first of all it smacks of trying to sell a story to the media with the obligatory ' hard done by face ' in the photograph.

 

Next, Sending a Moneygram to Thailand with funds and it " goes missing " without further comment from him, suggests to me, (and I might be wrong), he told his ' girlfriend ' the code probably because he trusted her,and then waltzed off and withdrew the cash and disappeared. He has remained tight lipped on where this alleged cash went if it ever existed.

 

Next, why would you get a one way ticket to Thailand in any event? A return is usually a cheaper option. Sounds very odd.

 

Going to court and getting the fine and a short spell in Nong Palai is standard and not worthy of mention, Also, losing your possessions whilst incarcerated. By the sounds of this story and state of his funds, he had very little worthy of stealing.

 

Neither would the Embassy state that you would only be held for around ' two weeks ' as they know full well that you are held until you can raise the funds for your flight home from friends and relatives.

 

Only in extreme cases, such as severe hospitalization or terminal illness would they step in on humanitarian grounds if the FCO agreed.

 

Nong Palai is a low category prison and a remand prison for those on short sentences. I find it hard to believe he was locked up with 150 Thai gangsters and murderers! Most of the Thais iN there are kids on drug sentences for buying, selling and using drugs, petty theft,robbery etc

 

You do get criminals on serious charges sent there for remand purposes for the convenience of them attending court.After sentencing,  they are dispersed to various prisons around the country such as Rayong, Klong Prem, and on occasions Bang Kwang, depending on their sentence.

 

These prisons are higher category prisons with higher security classifications.

 

No comment on the US citizen passing away, that is a sad situation and RIP to the poor gentleman.

 

I do agree with posters here that the brutal way the Thais treat over stayers in IDC and on remand in local prisons is a disgrace by international standards for what is, a civil offense. I am sure if the flip flop was on the other foot, they would be screaming to high heaven about human rights.

 

However, their country, their rules.

 

 

Your last sentence sums it up completely also in relation to many issues I realized years ago it is pointless trying to compare what happens here with your own country

Either accept the situation or don’t live here

[StevieAus]

26 minutes ago, amykat said:

Because either you are suffering from that, or you are naive/have your head in the sand, or just live a life where you don’t experience much in certain areas, or you are too new ...who knows, or you suffer from a belief that you must remain and believe in positivity at all costs???  Or you work for the government propaganda system ....or you troll to cause more posters to have an interesting debate??  
 

Some of you with this strange belief system sure can throw your fellow expats under the bus and shred them to pieces with little to no information and certainly with no empathy working in that analysis.  No positive thinking on that side.

Or alternatively you can accept the situation as it is and despite all the bleating and complaining you will not change the situation 

Also if it is so oppressive why are you you living here

I had a good lifestyle in Australia but prefer to live here despite the so called oppressive, racist etc etc conditions complained about by posters on this site.

If it is so bad return to your previous Utopia,

Somehow I don’t expect a mass exodus,

 

[brianthainess]

12 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Question is why did he do it? Ignorance, stupidity?

Both, got ripped of by his Thai ''girlfriend'', the money had gone. ignorance or naivety? stupidity overstayed his visa

 

[ujayujay]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Guy looks like a criminal.

And how come they let him board the flight in the UK with no VISA and no return ticket?

 

Are you Analphabetic or do you have problems to read an simple Story?

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, Langkawee said:

Do you work for the American embassy?Sure sounds like it. I wish i had a Chinese or Japanese passport if I was foolish enough to visit. I admire the Chinese and Japanese consular services for calling an ace an ace and a spade a spade and helping their citizens who are treated inhumanely.

 

You can add the Canadian Embassy to that, I saw the way they dug in, researched and looked after their citizens, there was only one in Klong Prem prison and he was looked after liked royalty by them, and I was envious!

 

He was an older guy and it was a charge about ' fraud on a company ' a charge he vehemently denied. The Canadian authorities were not too impressed with the charges either.

 

The Canadians also brought Thais of dual nationality who worked at the Embassy with them and did not accept any old excuse offered up by the authorities regards his treatment and conditions.

 

When they had Japanese incarcerated, they had senior people from the Japanese foreign office actually enter and be given a tour of the prison. It was known they were VIP because the prison guards changed uniforms and wore shiny gold hats and white gloves and they were escorted around by high ranking Thai prison staff..

 

 

 

[gerritkaew]

on a one-way flight to visit his girlfriend.

 

So it look like his intentions was to stay there with his one way flight.

 

Before setting off he transferred £2,000 via MoneyGram to collect when he arrived. But when he tried to claim his cash he was told someone had already withdrawn it.

 

Sure, its easy to withdrawn by MoneyGram by others, or not ?

[Scouse123]

4 minutes ago, gerritkaew said:

on a one-way flight to visit his girlfriend.

 

So it look like his intentions was to stay there with his one way flight.

 

Before setting off he transferred £2,000 via MoneyGram to collect when he arrived. But when he tried to claim his cash he was told someone had already withdrawn it.

 

Sure, its easy to withdrawn by MoneyGram by others, or not ?

 

NOT,

 

If it was easy to make fraudulent withdrawals they would go out of business because people would not use their services.