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Listening to music, the most popular songs seem to be about lost love, death, loss, misery. Happy songs are much less popular.

Is our default program to be melancholy, in your opinion?

 

For example, The River, by Springsteen; The Boxer, by Simon and Garfunkel; The Wichita Linesman by Glen Campbell. All massive hits.

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Life is generally unhappy, songs reflect that state of being.

I agree, so why don't we prefer happy songs that buck us up and make us cheerful?

 

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Maybe happiness is actually not a state but rather the absence of melancholy ?

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8 minutes ago, cmsally said:

Maybe happiness is actually not a state but rather the absence of melancholy ?

That's a very good observation. I don't think I've ever been "happy" in the same way as I've been unhappy or melancholy.

I've definitely enjoyed some parts of my life, but like you say, more absence of negativity, rather than "happiness" per se.

I've been happy in some things, some relationships, but only while they were happening. When they were not happening I wasn't still enjoying them, or happy- just absence of unhappiness. Being away from the person that made me happy when I was with them made me sad as I missed them.

 

Melancholia, on the other hand, lasts even if the thing that caused melancholia is no longer present.

 

Back to the music- if I listen to a happy song I'm happy only as long as the song plays, but if I listen to a sad song I feel sad even after the song ends.

I'll have to ponder on that for a while.

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" that even a fictional sadness is enough to fool our body to trigger such an endocrine response, intended to soften the mental pain involved in real loss. This response is driven by hormones such as oxytocin and prolactin, which actually induce the feelings of comfort, warmth and mild pleasure in us"

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/the-scientific-reason-why-some-of-us-enjoy-sad-songs-more-than-others-a7316626.html

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8 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

" that even a fictional sadness is enough to fool our body to trigger such an endocrine response, intended to soften the mental pain involved in real loss. This response is driven by hormones such as oxytocin and prolactin, which actually induce the feelings of comfort, warmth and mild pleasure in us"

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/the-scientific-reason-why-some-of-us-enjoy-sad-songs-more-than-others-a7316626.html

Goes some way to explaining though I can't agree with it all.

I must be really empathetic though, massively so as I get really melancholy listening to songs like Lace covered window, and Wish you were here!

Interesting that non empathetic people apparently don't feel sad listening to sad music. 

 

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I find hard, if not impossible to exactly define feelings, so i won't even try.

My happiness has always been permeated by melancholy; maybe strange, but that's it.

One of the few things i'm absolutely positive, it's that everything is transitory.

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9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's a very good observation. I don't think I've ever been "happy" in the same way as I've been unhappy or melancholy.

I've definitely enjoyed some parts of my life, but like you say, more absence of negativity, rather than "happiness" per se.

I've been happy in some things, some relationships, but only while they were happening. When they were not happening I wasn't still enjoying them, or happy- just absence of unhappiness. Being away from the person that made me happy when I was with them made me sad as I missed them.

 

Melancholia, on the other hand, lasts even if the thing that caused melancholia is no longer present.

 

Back to the music- if I listen to a happy song I'm happy only as long as the song plays, but if I listen to a sad song I feel sad even after the song ends.

I'll have to ponder on that for a while.

About time we realise that what we call "feelings" is produced by hormones docking on to certain aereas of our brain.
Example: Oxytocin is the "love hormone". Resulting in a mild form of Schizophrenia but also keeping "melancholy" at bay.

 

We are slaves of the hormones that our body produces. Some "bodies" produce more "happyness"- hormones than others. Those persons are less prone to Melancholy, obviously.
Of course, some temporary events can have an effect on our moods/feelings, but longer term it seems to be a genetic thing and science is just starting to scratch the surface of the phenomenon that we call "feelings". By birth and by nature, some people are more Happy than others during their lifetime, regardless of "life-circumstances". Must be, as certain drugs dock on to certain aereas of the brain that produce feelings of happyness. The reason drugs are so popular as they produce artificial happyness "on demand".

 

- I myself have a deal with the outdoor hookers on my Soi. I give everyone that yells at me accross the street "hello sexy man" a Buck and a Half. Seems to produce Oxytocin, thus keeping Melancholy at bay.:smile:

 

And if all the above should not help, I quote Nietsche: "Happyness is the absence of pain". Cheers.

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18 hours ago, cmsally said:

Maybe happiness is actually not a state but rather the absence of melancholy ?

Life's a bitch, then you die! 🤨

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