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Nonthaburi Immigration requires Thai medical insurance with O-A Visa

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1 hour ago, elviajero said:

And if concerned the re-entry permit could be cancelled before leaving the country.

Hi @elviajero ,

What do you need to do to cancel a re-entry permit? 

Is simply going to a provincial IO and requesting to cancel it sufficient?

Reason I ask, is that with a re-entry permit you keep your non-expired permission to stay alive when exiting and re-entering the country. 

However - and that's the actual question - can you apply for an O Visa, with a non-expired permission to stay kept alive by a re-entry permit?  Or does the re-entry permit prohibit you from doing that?

If you can, there is no issue, but if you can't then cancelling the re-entry permit would be an option.

> The above is not theoretical, as it would mean that holders of a permission to stay based on an OA Visa who also have a ME re-entry permit are not forced to wait till the permission to stay expires, but can apply immediately for an O Visa if that better suits their planning.

Hence my question.

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1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi @elviajero ,

What do you need to do to cancel a re-entry permit? 

Is simply going to a provincial IO and requesting to cancel it sufficient?

Yes. Or if it was issued at the airport you could cancel it there. The airport might cancel permits issued elsewhere too, but don't know the policy on that.

 

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Reason I ask, is that with a re-entry permit you keep your non-expired permission to stay alive when exiting and re-entering the country. 

That's technically wrong. Your stay ends when you leave. When you re-enter - with a re-entry permit - you are given a new Stay Permit and the IO can stamp you in for the remainder of the previously authorised stay.

 

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

However - and that's the actual question - can you apply for an O Visa, with a non-expired permission to stay kept alive by a re-entry permit?  Or does the re-entry permit prohibit you from doing that?

There is no reason why not. 

 

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

If you can, there is no issue, but if you can't then cancelling the re-entry permit would be an option.

> The above is not theoretical, as it would mean that holders of a permission to stay based on an OA Visa who also have a ME re-entry permit are not forced to wait till the permission to stay expires, but can apply immediately for an O Visa if that better suits their planning.

Hence my question.

I don't see any advantage in leaving and applying for a new O until shortly before the O-A stay permit expires.

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13 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Are you saying that it is indeed possible to get a new Visa, even if your granted permission to stay based on the old Visa has not become voided because of the re-entry permit?

No problem to do this. When coming back into Thailand, write the new visa number (and not the reentry permit number) on the TM6 form. 

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12 hours ago, elviajero said:

I don't see any advantage in leaving and applying for a new O until shortly before the O-A stay permit expires.

Yes, that's correct.

I was under the false impression that with a re-entry permit you were forced to 'wait out' the full permission to stay, before being able to apply for a new Visa.

But your crystal-clear response clarified that it does not, and that gives some flexibility in timing when applying for a new Visa.  And indeed, waiting until shortly before expiry is the choice of preference.

 

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5 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

No problem to do this. When coming back into Thailand, write the new visa number (and not the reentry permit number) on the TM6 form. 

 

The real issue isn't which type of entry Immigration at the border would stamp you in on...

 

The issue is...will the Thai embassy/consulates abroad be willing to stamp a new visa in a person's passport who still has a valid extension of stay kept alive by a valid re-entry permit.

 

And as I read UJ's answer on that question on the prior page, he seemed to be saying some might, and others would not.

 

 

That's not quite the same answer as the "no problem" answers Elviajero has been giving here on the same question.

 

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10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The issue is...will the Thai embassy/consulates abroad be willing to stamp a new visa in a person's passport who still has a valid extension of stay kept alive by a valid re-entry permit.

The London Embassy has issued a new visa for me in the past when I had a remaining few months permission to stay and a reentry permit. This was before the e-visa system was introduced, not sure if that would have made a difference. 

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21 hours ago, elviajero said:

But now that the insurance requirements — specifically for O-A visa holders — has come in I doubt many/any will do so in the future.

Including those who have previously held marriage extensions based on an original O-A Permission (ie renewals)? A little worrying. 

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3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Including those who have previously held marriage extensions based on an original O-A Permission (ie renewals)? A little worrying. 

Good point. I guess that’s entirely possible.

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3 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

The London Embassy has issued a new visa for me in the past when I had a remaining few months permission to stay and a reentry permit. This was before the e-visa system was introduced, not sure if that would have made a difference. 

What type of new visa have they issued, how do you define "a few months", and when was the intended date of travel?

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On 11/20/2019 at 4:56 PM, elviajero said:

Vientiane, Laos (online appointment needed. Savannakhet, Laos is another good choice, but it’s busy these days.

@maxx58 might also wish to consider Hoh Chi Minh City, Vietnam for his new non-O visa if he is prepared to travel a little further afield. No appointment needed there.

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The Thai government has certainly gone out of their way this time to let all "Farangs" know that you are not wanted here. There are going to be many people here over the age limit for health insurance or have not got the funds to insure themselves. I have not reached the 75 mark yet, however, put yourself in those peoples shoes, do you really think they want to go through all this BS at their age, really, border crossing, apply for this, apply for that, download this app , download that app, what a crock of sh@#$t. Wake up guys this isn't the LOS anymore, more like LOS (land of stress). Starting to run out of patience with Thai mentality.

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So it is confirmed that the police order is being interpreted by the Thai immigration officials at several offices to mean that getting an extension if on an OA visa originally will require Thai medical insurance. 

 

  Has anybody this month gotten a retirement extension who was originally on an OA visa and not been told to get Thai insurance? 

 

  Just wondering when and if this need for insurance really will be Thailand wide for all extensions on existing OA visas.

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15 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

  Just wondering when and if this need for insurance really will be Thailand wide for all extensions on existing OA visas.

That seems to be the case (at least at this point in time). 

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