Bruntoid Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Nip said: I entirely agree. What really pi$$es me off is all foreign governments are fully aware of the election fraud and all our ambassadors at the first opportunity bowed down before the Commander in Chief crediting Bozo with returning democracy. Exactly wasn’t Raab grubbing around Thailand looking to drum up trade for a flagging Brexit debacle ? Democracy my <deleted>! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 You can eliminate a leader but it's going to be more difficult for the junta to eliminate a movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunpa Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 No surprise. Next step will be to get him jailed or forced out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, newnative said: You can eliminate a leader but it's going to be more difficult for the junta to eliminate a movement. He is not allowed to be an MP, but he remains the leading figure in the movement. So... 4 minutes ago, khunpa said: No surprise. Next step will be to get him jailed or forced out of the country. Which will either make him a martyr, or an exiled, influential and well resourced dissident. Either way he remains a big problem for the dinosaurs. After all there is already one influential exiled politician who commands the support of a large proportion of the population (the rural poor), now they risk creating another who appears to command the support of the young urban educated population... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarth Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 16 hours ago, seajae said: not unexpected but definitely not a good judgement, if the facts as were stated were correct he was ok to do what he did, pressure has obviously been used here to get the required result and stop FF from taking over thai politics god this so much reminds me of when Pauline Hanson first put a dent it the two party vote they nearly got her put in prison on pretty much the same things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, JAG said: He is not allowed to be an MP, but he remains the leading figure in the movement. So... Which will either make him a martyr, or an exiled, influential and well resourced dissident. Either way he remains a big problem for the dinosaurs. After all there is already one influential exiled politician who commands the support of a large proportion of the population (the rural poor), now they risk creating another who appears to command the support of the young urban educated population... Given that our governments are climbing over one another to kiss the junta's backside and have turned blind eyes for years, ridding themselves of another popular figure will not be causing the junta any sleepless nights. Protests? Kill the ringleaders and the rest will fall into line. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 As expected (unfortunately) when a bright new forward thinking anti-military politician rattles the cages of the medieval pro-military "establishment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, newnative said: You can eliminate a leader but it's going to be more difficult for the junta to eliminate a movement. Why? If they can do it with the Shinawatras they can just as easily do it with the FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsider Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 hours ago, webfact said: ... an election earlier this year to formally end five years of military rule... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Reuters, the election earlier this year was to formally CONTINUE the military rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Time for some more civil disobedience a la HK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: As long as they keeping buying the weapons and don't do a Tiannemen Square they'll be fine. As long as they keep buying the weapons, our governments won't care what they do with them. Tiannemen Square in Bangkok? Give it a few months and the sheeple will have long forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, TooBigToFit said: Yes, you did change after about four years of pro-coup daily posts. The evidence is in the archives for those who wish to go back and find it. We still suffer the effects of those who supported or were apathetic to this regime. Thanatorn is one of the latest victims. There will be more. I hope those who supported this fascism in the past are now willing to support the people and stop making excuses for human rights abusers. Its not as if my support of the coup changed a thing. I am still anti Thaksin but really pro Thanathorn. But when the junta does something good i will still support them. It all depend actions not on what group someone belongs too. If Thanathorn proved to be corrupt even though i support him i would attack him on that. I'm not bound by any party I look at things on a case to case base. Id wven support good ideas of Thaksin even though i dont like him. For me its the action that depends if i support or attack not who came up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazykopite Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I will keep my thoughts to myself Big Brothers watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 If you enter into a den of Hungry wolves, what will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabradelmar Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Not a democracy so not unexpected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Corruption at the Highest Level, When the courts are rigged, there is no hope for the Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinn Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, robblok said: IMHO an unfair ruling but almost to be expected. If the proof Thanathorn gave to the media was real (can never be sure) then its unfair and a bad ruling. But they really wanted him gone so this is not unexpected. This shows how the “system” change after the army take over 5 years ago. And again after the “elections”. And who give the job to decide this case. My English is not enough to translate. If you not read thai, ask your thai friend to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Eligius said: We all saw this coming a million miles away - and predicted it again and again and again. Thailand is completely lost now. And the Thais have let it all happen without even a multi-million-fold whimper ... (Some people will say, as they have constantly optimistically claimed: 'Just you wait now - millions of Thais will rise up and voice their furiois protests.' To which I reply: 'Yes, just as we were told that they would do in 2015, in 2016, in 2017, in 2018, in all of 2019 - yeah, sure - and I've got some beautiful, exclusive lakeside property I can sell you on the sunny side of Neptune!'). Maybe you were not around in 1973, 1976 and 1992 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: Maybe you were not around in 1973, 1976 and 1992 ? You are right: there were some very, very brave Thais at those times. I have enormous respect for their courage. Amazing people. But there were NOT millions and millions of them - and that is the point. Since 2010, the fight has gone out of the Thai people. One can understand why - but facts remain facts. They ain't going to do anything really substantial (in their MILLIONS) about what is happening now. End of (and the junta KNOW it)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, webfact said: Thanathorn More than a thorn indeed. Will the junta now go for the jugular and make criminal charges against him for daring to challenge the status quo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhounan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 This guy tried to change the status quo of Thailand, the power structure that no one should touch: BKK elites families - Army - the court of eunuchs living behind the royal family. This is his only fault. Anyone who dares touch the Triad is thrown down from the pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Eligius said: We all saw this coming a million miles away - and predicted it again and again and again. Thailand is completely lost now. And the Thais have let it all happen without even a multi-million-fold whimper ... (Some people will say, as they have constantly optimistically claimed: 'Just you wait now - millions of Thais will rise up and voice their furiois protests.' To which I reply: 'Yes, just as we were told that they would do in 2015, in 2016, in 2017, in 2018, in all of 2019 - yeah, sure - and I've got some beautiful, exclusive lakeside property I can sell you on the sunny side of Neptune!'). Well, they rose up in 2010 and look where that got them. Nowhere at all, except it leading to one of Thailand's military coups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, webfact said: The Future Forward leader also faces two criminal charges, They won't quit until they've contrived a charge that will see him locked up. Obviously, they recognize that he is a force to be reckoned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 19 hours ago, robblok said: IMHO an unfair ruling but almost to be expected. If the proof Thanathorn gave to the media was real (can never be sure) then its unfair and a bad ruling. But they really wanted him gone so this is not unexpected. Only unfair if he didn't have the transfer documents to prove his innocence... I like the guy & wanted to see him back in his rightful seat but he couldn't provide the necessary evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiroinusa1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 The only leader with sensible ideas and a forward look into the growth of South East Asia and Thailand. Really to bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, baboon said: Given that our governments are climbing over one another to kiss the junta's backside and have turned blind eyes for years, ridding themselves of another popular figure will not be causing the junta any sleepless nights. Protests? Kill the ringleaders and the rest will fall into line. Job done. Oh I don't think any of "our governments" are interested - they are under no illusions about how Thailand is run and regard it as a joke. The change, however it will be effected, will come from within the country. I continue to think it will happen. It may take a long time, but when the tipping point is eventually reached things will move rapidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Once again Thailand has egg on its face. Shameful and a saddening state of affairs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, hotchilli said: Only unfair if he didn't have the transfer documents to prove his innocence... I like the guy & wanted to see him back in his rightful seat but he couldn't provide the necessary evidence. That is why i said if the the proof was there in the media he said he had it. Else its not unfair nut by the book. Bias and politically motivated for sure but if he did not have the documents then its his fault. I like him too he the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, mikebell said: More than a thorn indeed. Will the junta now go for the jugular and make criminal charges against him for daring to challenge the status quo? The junta knows no shame. They will crucify the one who could successfully displace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggy Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Hank Gunn said: I don't think you understood the context of my comment. I was responding to user "seajae" in post #4: "not unexpected but definitely not a good judgement, if the facts as were stated were correct he was ok to do what he did, pressure has obviously been used here to get the required result and stop FF from taking over thai politics". (Emphasis mine.) I'm assuming from that post, that he was stating that some sort of pressure was placed on the judges to render this decision. My response, "I doubt there was any "pressure" involved in this case. It's just how things work here." was simply a statement that the court system and judges, are one of the tools used by the ruling class here to maintain their hold on power, so they were just doing what they were supposed to do. No pressure needed. It doesn't matter what Thanatorn did or did not do, nor does the legality of it matter. He's a threat and has to be eliminated. He may fall from balcony, accidentally,????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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