Ready for change? Labour unveils 'radical' manifesto

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Troll away.

You seem to be doing quite  well  by yourself.

[jayboy]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All British people should remember Corbyn’s life long ... belief that the UK/Irish conflict could only be solved by diplomacy.

 

 

 

 

That is a lie.Corbyn wanted the IRA to win and regarded the British as an enemy.There has never been a case where Corbyn has not sided with Britain's enemies.He even made excuses for Putin when presented with evidence in the Salisbury poisoning affair.

 

Specifically on the Irish Question, the left leaning Channel 4 did a fact check on Corbyn.Their conclusions do not accord with yours.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, jayboy said:

That is a lie.Corbyn wanted the IRA to win and regarded the British as an enemy.There has never been a case where Corbyn has not sided with Britain's enemies.He even made excuses for Putin when presented with evidence in the Salisbury poisoning affair.

 

Specifically on the Irish Question, the left leaning Channel 4 did a fact check on Corbyn.Their conclusions do not accord with yours.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland

TV Channel facts?  Can TV Channels spell fact correctly?

 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, jayboy said:

That is a lie.Corbyn wanted the IRA to win and regarded the British as an enemy.There has never been a case where Corbyn has not sided with Britain's enemies.He even made excuses for Putin when presented with evidence in the Salisbury poisoning affair.

 

Specifically on the Irish Question, the left leaning Channel 4 did a fact check on Corbyn.Their conclusions do not accord with yours.

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland

Your 'facts' are not supported by your link.

[oldhippy]

This thread seems to be taken over by the UDA.

[sunnyboy2018]

10 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

What about the Jews who are proud Labour members and stand with Corbyn? Are they in denial?

They are part of a minority,  extremist, anti Israeli group and are well out of the mainstream.

[sunnyboy2018]

8 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

This thread seems to be taken over by the UDA.

No it hasnt. We recognise SWP Trots and jew baiters the latter who have been validified by the forces of Islam in the UK and now entrenched in the Labour party and disguising their judaphobia as sympathy for Palestinian war mongers.

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

No it hasnt. We recognise SWP Trots and jew baiters the latter who have been validified by the forces of Islam in the UK and now entrenched in the Labour party and disguising their judaphobia as sympathy for Palestinian war mongers.

Trotsky and Marx were jews. As a matter of fact, the Russian revolution was believed by many to be part of the jewish plot to take over the world.

 

[sunnyboy2018]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

I'm sure it's pretty obvious why some Jews critisize him, whilst some Jews may like some of Labours manifesto (getting back on topic) I'm pretty sure they are not defending Corbyn as such.

 

Do you think that Corbyn as being leader of the Labour Party could do more to rid the party of antisemitism, sometimes I wonder if Corbyn actually knows what antisemitism is.

Labour need to court the Muslim vote so they must adopt  pro Palestinian anti jew views and signal this judaphobia very clearly to every every mosque in the country where imams will instruct their congregation who to vote for.

[oldhippy]

3 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Labour need to court the Muslim vote so they must adopt  pro Palestinian anti jew views and signal this judaphobia very clearly to every every mosque in the country where imams will instruct their congregation who to vote for.

Get real! Imams instructing their followers to vote for godless communists.

[RickG16]

14 hours ago, yodsak said:

 

Yesterdays Oddschecker seat predictions.   3 weeks to go.

Is bright yellow the SNP? And what is the black area in the north west?

[Dumbastheycome]

Funny  innit ?   So  much  about  "explosions"   in the news.

But  watching so much  "implosions" in   world  politics  is  rather  numbing .

I guess when  in full effect  there will be a election  date.

Clever  innit ? 555

[RickG16]

20 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Get real! Imams instructing their followers to vote for godless communists.

I don't think religion comes into it really. None of the main parties have an outwardly religious stance. 

[Krataiboy]

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Corbyn has been loudly saying the Muslim's rights must be respected. But nothing about Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Christians.

There's method in Jeremy the Red's apparent madness.

 

 

[thequietman]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

the only terrorist sympathizer Boris has shared a stage with, is Corbyn himself.

Really ???

[thequietman]

14 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

He's also a Jew and knows that Corbyn and the anti semitic labour party hate Jews and Israel.

 

[AlexRich]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure where you get that claim from.

 

The text book example of Keynsian economics in action is Roosevelt’s response to the Great Depression, massive investment in infrastructure followed by even bigger expenditure in war manufacturing, all funded by government borrowing, including loans extended to the British to buy American arms and supplies.

 

 

No pre saving, the Great Depression smashed and the expansion of the American middle class established.

 

Borrow cheap and spend on investment, or slash public spending.

 

The Tories/Lib-Dems chose the latter, the poor and those made poor can take the pain.

 

 

You'll find it in his "General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" ... it wasn't written by Roosevelt.

 

 

[oldhippy]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You'll find it in his "General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" ... it wasn't written by Roosevelt.

 

 

Keynes only wrote down the new thoughts on macro economics, he did not invent anything. These thoughts were based on what had developed in the real world - Roosevelt, French socialists, and believe it or not, Nazi Germany.

If a swedish economist had been a little bit faster, we would now not speak about Keynesian economics, but Myrdal economics.

A famous answer of Keynes when he was asked "what will happen in the long run if your ideas will be universally applied" was "in the long run we are all dead".

Keynesianism meant the end of macro economics - after 2 brilliant "schools": liberalism (free market) and marxism.

Keynesianism and later neo liberalism (Friedman) supplied only day to day solutions, not insight, or thoughts for the future.

And after Friedman, it became "every man for himself".

 

[Nigel Garvie]

4 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Keynes only wrote down the new thoughts on macro economics, he did not invent anything. These thoughts were based on what had developed in the real world - Roosevelt, French socialists, and believe it or not, Nazi Germany.

If a swedish economist had been a little bit faster, we would now not speak about Keynesian economics, but Myrdal economics.

A famous answer of Keynes when he was asked "what will happen in the long run if your ideas will be universally applied" was "in the long run we are all dead".

Keynesianism meant the end of macro economics - after 2 brilliant "schools": liberalism (free market) and marxism.

Keynesianism and later neo liberalism (Friedman) supplied only day to day solutions, not insight, or thoughts for the future.

And after Friedman, it became "every man for himself".

 

I am not an economist, and claim no expertise, however from what I understand there is a gulf between Keynes and Friedman (Although saying this is not at odds with what you wrote). If there ever was an example of an economist who should have been terminated with maximum prejudice, it is the evil Milton Friedman. His Chicago school helped destroy emerging South American democracies with the US Fascist (Oops neo liberal) version of Capitalism.

Keynes was a borrow and invest man, doubtless there were others before him. 

[Nigel Garvie]

10 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

The root of austerity lies with Labour's mishandling of the economy ... Brown's sell off of Gold at bargain basement rates, and his failure to put money aside to deal with a financial crisis. And Brown/Blair don't even get close to Corbyn and McDonnel when it comes to financial incompetence.

 

You fail to consider why austerity was brought in in the first place ... all roads lead to Labour incompetence.

 

 

 

"and his failure to put money aside to deal with a financial crisis."

Hardy anyone saw the 2008 financial crash coming, one of the few exceptions was Vince Cable.

However your condemnation of the LP of the day suggests that you were one of the clever people who did forsee it, and can blame others for failing to be aware of the signs. Maybe you made a killing.

 

 

"And Brown/Blair don't even get close to Corbyn and McDonnel when it comes to financial incompetence."

You may not have noticed but Corbyn and McDonnel have never been in a position to control anything financially, so there is no evidence whether they would be competent or not. OK you don't like their ideas, that's a different thing. 

[oldhippy]

18 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I am not an economist, and claim no expertise, however from what I understand there is a gulf between Keynes and Friedman (Although saying this is not at odds with what you wrote). If there ever was an example of an economist who should have been terminated with maximum prejudice, it is the evil Milton Friedman. His Chicago school helped destroy emerging South American democracies with the US Fascist (Oops neo liberal) version of Capitalism.

Keynes was a borrow and invest man, doubtless there were others before him. 

To put it simply:

Keynesianism was the solution for the unemployment of the 20's and 30's - and the cause of the inflation of the 70's.

Friedman was the solution for inflation, at the expense of employment and poorer nations.

 

Keynes: borrow and invest as you say, public and private

Friedman: austerity

[vogie]

6 hours ago, thequietman said:

Really ???

Nice try but no cigar. Boris as London Mayor at the time had gone to NI to procure some buses for London and not to rub shouldiers with IRA terrorists. He bought nearly 200 buses and secured the jobs of 300 workers in NI. Arlene Foster was first minister and Martin McGuiness was deputy first minister, so I suppose they deemed it necessary to be present. 

 

You do see the difference in Boris buying buses and JC travelling our planet looking for terrorists to endorse don't you, if not I cannot be of further assistance to you.

[RuamRudy]

14 hours ago, JAG said:

 Personal criticism of the characters of the principal candidates for the post of Prime Minister is not exactly confined to Mr Corbyn. Mr Johnson certainly comes in for his share, on this forum and elsewhere some of it originating from the leadership of your "far better alternative"!

You seem to have missed my point; not that he is subject to abuse, but that when the Labour manifesto was announced, the only challenges seem to be disparaging remarks about him personally. Nothing negative that was written on this thread up to the point where I replied was in any way substantive or related to the manifesto pledges; and precious little since. 

[RuamRudy]

10 hours ago, oldhippy said:

This thread seems to be taken over by the UDA.

No - we don't mention the inconvenient truth that is the DUP/UDA alliance and the fact that for the past 2 years our government was propped up by terrorist sympathisers. It's ok, apparently, to demonise Corbyn and his efforts to bring about peace through talking to the IRA, but we happily turn a blind eye to Arlene and her love affair with loyalist terrorists, who, by the way, have murdered more British civilians than have the IRA. Not that there is honour in killing fewer people, but there is no honour whatsoever in criticising your opponent's efforts to bring about peace while ignoring your own side's bloody associations. 

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Nice try but no cigar. Boris as London Mayor at the time had gone to NI to procure some buses for London and not to rub shouldiers with IRA terrorists. He bought nearly 200 buses and secured the jobs of 300 workers in NI. Arlene Foster was first minister and Martin McGuiness was deputy first minister, so I suppose they deemed it necessary to be present. 

 

You do see the difference in Boris buying buses and JC travelling our planet looking for terrorists to endorse don't you, if not I cannot be of further assistance to you.

This is the reality about the terrorist supporting Arlene Fraser and the DUP.

 

[soalbundy]

On 11/21/2019 at 3:19 PM, TopDeadSenter said:

Other than naive students and a few nutters I cant imagine anybody will vote for this guy, and his band of merry misfits. He doesn't even have the spine to declare his stance on Brexit, which is what caused this whole stalemate and what the election is supposed to be solving. Just in case anybody on this forum does not know the depths of his stupidity, his praise and desired emulation of Venezuela should suffice as a wake up call.

 

"For Corbyn, the Chavez regime was an inspiration — a chance to see true socialism brought to life.

Venezuela, Corbyn has said, “showed us that there is a different, and a better, way of doing things. It’s called socialism”.

It wasn’t just Corbyn. Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott and Corbyn’s media chief Seumas Milne have all praised the ­Venezuelan revolution."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8283783/chavez-socialist-experiment-venezuela-opinion/

Revolutions of this nature never work because America intervenes with sanctions and black arts unless of course they are serving American interests (oil) or have nuclear weapons (NK)

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This is the reality about the terrorist supporting Arlene Fraser and the DUP.

 

Corbyns love affair with terrorists spans more than NI though, he has made some very bad choices in his life, now it is coming back to haunt him, he made those choices and he will be the one that has to live with them.

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Nice try but no cigar. Boris as London Mayor at the time had gone to NI to procure some buses for London and not to rub shouldiers with IRA terrorists. He bought nearly 200 buses and secured the jobs of 300 workers in NI. Arlene Foster was first minister and Martin McGuiness was deputy first minister, so I suppose they deemed it necessary to be present. 

 

You do see the difference in Boris buying buses and JC travelling our planet looking for terrorists to endorse don't you, if not I cannot be of further assistance to you.

You are only a terrorist if you don't win, see Ben Gurion.

[thequietman]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Nice try but no cigar. Boris as London Mayor at the time had gone to NI to procure some buses for London and not to rub shouldiers with IRA terrorists. He bought nearly 200 buses and secured the jobs of 300 workers in NI. Arlene Foster was first minister and Martin McGuiness was deputy first minister, so I suppose they deemed it necessary to be present. 

 

You do see the difference in Boris buying buses and JC travelling our planet looking for terrorists to endorse don't you, if not I cannot be of further assistance to you.

Let's try this one then. ????

[thequietman]

9 hours ago, thequietman said:

 

I am just curious how you, Dundee48 find this funny? Why is that please?