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Visiting a friend today, about 20 minutes out of Sawang Daen Din and government workers checking vacant land lots short of Chanote title, i.e. any vacant land without any structures on them looking to take back land.

 

Might want to let the wife's/gf's know if you have any vacant lots without any structures on them to get cracking, the area falls under Sakon Nakhon province I am told for what it's worth. 

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We have a situation here where some friends purchased 3 rai of Nor Sor 3 Gor land about 5 years ago. They now want to sell but the Land Office has advised that they will not transfer title as the land is within an area that should not have been given title deeds. The original NS3G title was issued to a General in the police force or army. The Government can reclaim the land at any time.

They have not used the land since they bought it and the Land Office further advised that anyone could grow crops on it for one year and then claim the land. Someone has been growing cabbages on it without their permission so a very bad situation.

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1 minute ago, GreasyFingers said:

We have a situation here where some friends purchased 3 rai of Nor Sor 3 Gor land about 5 years ago.

Never buy land in Thailand, unless there's a 90% Bank mortgage on it.

Then if it all goes wrong, it's mainly the banks loss and not yours.

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15 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

We have a situation here where some friends purchased 3 rai of Nor Sor 3 Gor land about 5 years ago. They now want to sell but the Land Office has advised that they will not transfer title as the land is within an area that should not have been given title deeds. The original NS3G title was issued to a General in the police force or army. The Government can reclaim the land at any time.

They have not used the land since they bought it and the Land Office further advised that anyone could grow crops on it for one year and then claim the land. Someone has been growing cabbages on it without their permission so a very bad situation.

 

Imo this is 10 years not 1 year. Squatting land for 1 year is not enough for titled land.

Also Nor Sor 3 Gor is fully transferable, however birthdefects can ruin every title deed here....they can't confiscate it without a court ruling imo. 

 

Land offices often give rough information out, i wouldn't listen to them.

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1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

Imo this is 10 years not 1 year. Squatting land for 1 year is not enough for titled land.

Also Nor Sor 3 Gor is fully transferable, however birthdefects can ruin every title deed here....they can't confiscate it without a court ruling imo. 

 

Land offices often give rough information out, i wouldn't listen to them.

Good to know that you know more than the Land Office.

You do not understand that the NS3G was issued illegally on land that was not to be alienated. We even have illegal chanote title up here.

But if you would like to buy some I can arrange a good price for you.

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2 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

We have a situation here where some friends purchased 3 rai of Nor Sor 3 Gor land about 5 years ago. They now want to sell but the Land Office has advised that they will not transfer title as the land is within an area that should not have been given title deeds. The original NS3G title was issued to a General in the police force or army. The Government can reclaim the land at any time.

They have not used the land since they bought it and the Land Office further advised that anyone could grow crops on it for one year and then claim the land. Someone has been growing cabbages on it without their permission so a very bad situation.

In that situation your friends should post haste get that person growing cabbages to sign a rental contract for the land even if it is only a tiny rental sum mentioned. Should get signatures on backdated versions too. If they refuse should get them and cabbages removed immediately. If both look tricky get local headman involved and get some paperwork saying they are trespassing on your land.

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As above multiple years of occupation needed for squatters rights, but not beyond some people to get local signatures saying they have been there for decades growing cabbages!

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14 minutes ago, cmsally said:

As above multiple years of occupation needed for squatters rights, but not beyond some people to get local signatures saying they have been there for decades growing cabbages!

I am only repeating what the Land Office. It appears that they are treating the land as not having a title so utilization rights apply. The LO did say if the friends fenced the land it could not be claimed but their title is still no good. They would only have utilization rights due to the fencing.

They could also still build on the land but there is no water or electricity and the road is suspect in the wet season. Even with a building they still only have utilization rights and no chance of a proper title.

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14 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

I am only repeating what the Land Office. It appears that they are treating the land as not having a title so utilization rights apply. The LO did say if the friends fenced the land it could not be claimed but their title is still no good. They would only have utilization rights due to the fencing.

They could also still build on the land but there is no water or electricity and the road is suspect in the wet season. Even with a building they still only have utilization rights and no chance of a proper title.

As far as I am aware a Nor Sor 3 Gor has almost the same rights as a Chanot. For the land dept to say its useless is somewhat bizarre as it would have been sold at the Land Office and with their full knowledge. If the previous owner had upgraded another type of title to this title then again has to be done with Land Office involvement. Is this only one piece of land or part of many titles on the boundary on National Park etc. ?? It all sounds very fishy.

If they say the title is useless, then check for whoever signed it at the land office at transfer because they must be complicit in the sale of illegal land!!

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45 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Good to know that you know more than the Land Office.

You do not understand that the NS3G was issued illegally on land that was not to be alienated. We even have illegal chanote title up here.

But if you would like to buy some I can arrange a good price for you.

 

Hence my comment about birthdefects, been there done that and that's why lawyers do due diligence reports before one buys land.

I totally understand the 'illegal' chanote, but it's not in the land offices power to rule that, a court has to. It has been issued by the LAND OFFICE that's why a lawyer would sue the land office and whoever worked there at that time, including the previous owner. And that magically often sorts this problems - they always try to steal land tho.

This is totally common on Samui, Pha Ngan and co...

 

But enjoy, pissing on everyone that tries to help is a sure way to get discuss here....And no i don't buy property without due diligence, so have fun with it.

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2 minutes ago, cmsally said:

As far as I am aware a Nor Sor 3 Gor has almost the same rights as a Chanot. For the land dept to say its useless is somewhat bizarre as it would have been sold at the Land Office and with their full knowledge. If the previous owner had upgraded another type of title to this title then again has to be done with Land Office involvement. Is this only one piece of land or part of many titles on the boundary on National Park etc. ?? It all sounds very fishy.

If they say the title is useless, then check for whoever signed it at the land office at transfer because they must be complicit in the sale of illegal land!!

yes in 99% of these cases the land office are the criminals and if you go after them that often solves the problem because they don't want to sit in a court, after all it was their dirty practice that did this.

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3 hours ago, cmsally said:

As far as I am aware a Nor Sor 3 Gor has almost the same rights as a Chanot. For the land dept to say its useless is somewhat bizarre as it would have been sold at the Land Office and with their full knowledge. If the previous owner had upgraded another type of title to this title then again has to be done with Land Office involvement. Is this only one piece of land or part of many titles on the boundary on National Park etc. ?? It all sounds very fishy.

If they say the title is useless, then check for whoever signed it at the land office at transfer because they must be complicit in the sale of illegal land!!

As I mentioned before the original owner of the NS3G title was a General in either the police force or army (his title is on the deed). Up until now the Land Office has gone along with subsequent transfers (the one to the friends by someone connected to the <deleted>) but have been instructed to stop because the title is illegal, it is government property. There are thousands of properties up here that are similarly affected, including one for sale at 100M baht by a foreigner.

We were very close to being caught ourselves but because of my property background made enough inquiries.

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5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Never buy land in Thailand, unless there's a 90% Bank mortgage on it.

Then if it all goes wrong, it's mainly the banks loss and not yours.

Bank mortgage might be difficult, especially 90 percent. Just do due diligence before you buy; have a bit of common sense; and protect your "investment", there are various ways for doing that...🙂

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The Amphur staff have been out and about in the villages here.

As far as i know they are measuring up all the ma and pa shop sizes so they can be taxed appropriately.

No vacant lots at this stage.

 

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